# Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 22, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962 "2025-06-22T01:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/641 "2025-06-30T15:59:51Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > This is not the definition of genocide. If it were, then killing a single person due to their membership in a target population would count as a genocide. When a Nazi soldier shot a Jew who was trying to resist getting on the train to Auschwitz, was that genocide? After all, it was killing a single person. Genocide is big. It is, of course, composed of many, many different acts. No one individual act is ever genocide. It’s the pattern of all of the acts together that makes a genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/642 "2025-06-30T16:02:20Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > > > do you condemn the IDF for the multiple atrocities they have committed in Gaza since October the 8th? > > Was I talking to you? If you want a private conversation with one make it a private conversation. Otherwise, don’t get your panties in a bunch if someone else jumps into your PUBLIC conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/643 "2025-06-30T16:05:11Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > When a Nazi soldier shot a Jew who was trying to resist getting on the train to Auschwitz, was that genocide? After all, it was killing a single person. > > Genocide is big. It is, of course, composed of many, many different acts. No one individual act is ever genocide. It’s the pattern of all of the acts together that makes a genocide Actually, what makes a genocide is the _dolus specialis_ or special intent. It is the underlying motivation for the act. In your example, the Nazi guard is acting as part of an organization whose goal is the destruction of the Jewish people through their executions in gas chambers. So that’s what makes that act genocidal. What I objected to above was the definition you offered: > [@Chronos](#): > > If you’re killing them with the purpose of causing members of some target population to die, then yes, it’s genocide This is a much vaguer, more general definition. Yes, it includes the Nazi guard. It also includes Elias Rodriguez, who shot two Jews with the intent of causing members of the target population to die. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/644 "2025-06-30T16:09:28Z")
No it isn’t you illiterate war-lover. Is English not your first language? ‘Fits a pattern’ and ‘exclusively comprises’ are far from the same thing, as you no doubt do know but choose to ignore in your fervour to lick as far up IOF butthole as humanly possible. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/645 "2025-06-30T16:14:20Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Do you condemn the IDF for the multiple atrocities they have committed in Gaza since October the 8th? Do you condemn 30+ years of suicide bombings and literally thousands of missile and mortar attacks and a rampage that killed random people and took many hostage? Sure I do not like violence. I am not convinced anyone writing here would truly be so complacent if someone dropped missiles on them regularly and then rampaged in and kidnapped your children. And remember, above, I showed Iran is committed to their destruction…they have been explicit about it…they have a countdown clock for their destruction. Iran absolutely supports and provides the missiles to Hamas and others. The surrounding countries have literally gone to full-blown WAR in an effort to annihilate Israel. Several times. And you are butthurt that they defend themselves? It sucks innocent people die in war but I am not sure that can be avoided. What is your alternative? Do you have a plan for peace in the Middle East? If you do, march straight to Sweden and collect your Nobel Peace Prize. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/646 "2025-06-30T16:19:23Z")
Banquet Bear has frequently condemned Hamas and specifically Oct 7, you idiotic shit. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/647 "2025-06-30T16:20:03Z")
When asked about IDF atrocities, all you can do is sidestep to other atrocities _that everyone has already condemned_. Hamas atrocities are terrible. So are IDF atrocities. And the IDF atrocities are continuing in the present, based on personal reports from members of the IDF, among tons and tons of other evidence. That you keep sidestepping, over and over, leads me to believe that you think IDF atrocities are okay. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/648 "2025-06-30T16:22:04Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Do you condemn 30+ years of suicide bombings and literally thousands of missile and mortar attacks and a rampage that killed random people and took many hostage? …yes. Do you condemn the IDF for the multiple atrocities they have committed in Gaza since October the 8th? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/649 "2025-06-30T16:23:11Z")
I’m not sidestepping. I am saying Israel can defend itself. In the course of that defense innocent people will be hurt. It is a fact of war. Your option is Israel should just not do anything. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/650 "2025-06-30T16:23:50Z")
My opinion is that Israel should not conduct atrocities. Atrocities are not required to defend one’s country. Do you believe atrocities are required for defense? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/651 "2025-06-30T16:24:51Z")
Are you seriously suggesting Israel is trying to commit atrocities? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/652 "2025-06-30T16:25:36Z")
Very clearly many in the IDF, and many in Israeli government, want atrocities. They’ve said so publicly. When they say publicly that they want to do terrible things, and then the terrible things happen, and IDF members personally report they were ordered to do terrible things (like shoot unarmed civilians who posed no threat while waiting for food), then it seems pretty damn reasonable to blame them for those terrible things. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/653 "2025-06-30T16:26:09Z")
They have? Cite? If Israel is all in on killing kids and aid workers then yeah…fuck them. That needs to be stopped! ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/654 "2025-06-30T16:28:12Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Are you seriously suggesting Israel is trying to commit atrocities? …while you don’t appear to be asking me directly, I’ll answer this for you because thats how message boards work. And the answer is yes. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > They have? Cite? You aren’t asking me this question directly, but I’ve provided this citation already in the South African submission to the International Court of Justice. While I’ve got you here: Do you condemn the IDF for the multiple atrocities they have committed in Gaza since October the 8th? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/655 "2025-06-30T16:30:44Z")
Here’s a post that links to IDF members reporting they were ordered to shoot harmless unarmed civilians: > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4581): > > IDF soldiers have told Haaretz they were ordered to shoot at unarmed Gazan civilians waiting for humanitarian aid: This Israeli government, and this IDF, are hopelessly morally compromised, and must end this war. They’re not capable of fighting with any sort of moral decency outside of Israeli territory. The US must stop supporting this Israeli government and this IDF. The current Israeli-run “aid” agency also appears complicit in these atrocities. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/656 "2025-06-30T16:32:45Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > If Israel is all in on killing kids and aid workers then yeah…fuck them. That needs to be stopped! > **[US doctors working in Gaza allege children are being deliberately targeted by...](https://revealnews.org/podcast/gaza-children-killed-israel-war-us-doctors/)** > > American doctors volunteering in Gaza report a disturbing pattern of children shot by Israeli forces. Now they’re pushing for accountability. > [@](#): > > In one month, the ER physician had treated at least 18 children with gunshots to the head or chest. And that’s only the patients she had time to make a note of. > > “They were children under the age of 12,” she says. “That’s something I saw every single day, multiple times a day, for the whole four weeks that I was there.” > > Syed’s not the only one. Other physicians who’ve worked in Gaza report seeing similar cases on a regular basis, suggesting a disturbing pattern. The doctors allege that members of the Israeli military may be deliberately targeting children. > **[US doctors working in Gaza allege children are being deliberately targeted by...](https://revealnews.org/podcast/gaza-children-killed-israel-war-us-doctors/)** > > American doctors volunteering in Gaza report a disturbing pattern of children shot by Israeli forces. Now they’re pushing for accountability. The New York Times have an even more damning indictment here, that shows a pattern of the IDF deliberately sniping children, but its paywalled. If you have a subscription you can read it here. > **[Opinion | 65 Doctors, Nurses and Paramedics: What We Saw in Gaza](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/09/opinion/gaza-doctor-interviews.html)** > > “Nearly every day I was there, I saw a new young child who had been shot in the head or the chest, virtually all of whom went on to die.” Do you condemn the IDF for the multiple atrocities they have committed in Gaza since October the 8th? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/657 "2025-06-30T16:36:04Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > If Israel is all in on killing kids and aid workers then yeah…fuck them. How the fuck can you snipe 4-year olds and _not_ be considered ‘all in’? And your ‘innocents die in war’ bullshit is tiresome. How stupid would _anyone_ have to be to think ‘innocents die in war’ excused any of the Oct 7 killings? Well, you’re _exactly_ that dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/658 "2025-06-30T16:39:53Z")
How dumb do you have to be to think war is clean…or is done in a clean way and no innocents are hurt? I also find the notion of an Israeli sniper intentionally targeting and killing a 4-year old extremely dubious. This is MAGA levels of believe what you want. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/659 "2025-06-30T16:49:24Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > This is MAGA levels of believe what you want. For one of us. I’d say it’s the one ignoring the testimony of actual doctors on the ground who is the Magat. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > How dumb do you have to be to think war is clean… How dumb do _you_ have to be to think that condemning a thing is the same as thinking it doesn’t exist? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/660 "2025-06-30T16:58:29Z")
… And here’s the Israeli finance minister calling for genocide: [https://archive.ph/20240502115615/https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2024-04-30/ty-article-opinion/smotrich-must-pay-the-price-for-his-repeated-calls-for-genocide-of-palestinians/0000018f-3084-d0b5-a59f-31c5ca320000](https://archive.ph/20240502115615/https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2024-04-30/ty-article-opinion/smotrich-must-pay-the-price-for-his-repeated-calls-for-genocide-of-palestinians/0000018f-3084-d0b5-a59f-31c5ca320000) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=34)