# Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 22, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962 "2025-06-22T01:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/661 "2025-06-30T17:01:31Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > They have? Cite? > > If Israel is all in on killing kids and aid workers then yeah…fuck them. That needs to be stopped! So I showed cites about IDF members reporting they were ordered to shoot harmless unarmed civilians, and the Israeli Finance Minister calling for genocide. Presumably now you will join us in calling for the IDF to stop conducting atrocities? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/662 "2025-06-30T17:18:40Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > How dumb do you have to be to think war is clean…or is done in a clean way and no innocents are hurt? He was talking about _snipers_. In an artillery barrage or an airstrike, you’ve got some cover for accidentally killing a child, but how do you defend a sniper looking down the scope of his rifle, seeing a child, and then deliberately pulling the trigger as “unavoidable collateral damage”? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/663 "2025-06-30T17:42:11Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I showed Iran is committed to their destruction…they have been explicit about it…they have a countdown clock for their destruction. They have, or had, (there are questions about it’s current state) a countdown clock, but clocks being first order military targets Israel bombed it. > The clock was bombed by Israeli airstrikes on 23 June 2025 during the course of the Iran-Israel War, whereupon the semi-official Mehr News Agency published a short video on social media which purportedly showed it still ticking down the days to September 2040, with Israel having 5,569 days left (projected date of 21 September 2040). The video could not be independently verified.[[9]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Square_Countdown_Clock#cite_note-9) > [Palestine Square Countdown Clock - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Square_Countdown_Clock) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/664 "2025-06-30T18:03:00Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > The New York Times have an even more damning indictment here, that shows a pattern of the IDF deliberately sniping children, but its paywalled. If you have a subscription you can read it here. Here is a gift link without the paywall. Just in the interests of allowing everyone in the discussion access to the same information: > **[Opinion | 65 Doctors, Nurses and Paramedics: What We Saw in Gaza](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/09/opinion/gaza-doctor-interviews.html?unlocked_article_code=1.S08.T9pG.htKQieER6F_D&smid=url-share)** > > “Nearly every day I was there, I saw a new young child who had been shot in the head or the chest, virtually all of whom went on to die.” ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/665 "2025-06-30T18:19:45Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > He was talking about _snipers_. In an artillery barrage or an airstrike, you’ve got some cover for accidentally killing a child, but how do you defend a sniper looking down the scope of his rifle, seeing a child, and then deliberately pulling the trigger as “unavoidable collateral damage”? That’s not, of course, a thing that was ever actually established. The claim he’s referring to is that they found dead people including children with 5.56 mm rounds. The claim is that these are consistent with sniper bullets. Which is true but they’re also consistent with assault rifle bullets, which are used in suppressing fire - very different then a sniper looking down the scope and shooting a kid. The only evidence provided that it was a sniper and not any old rifle is that the people were hit in the center of mass or head. Which, yes, if you’re killed by a bullet, is where it would have hit… It’s hardly proof of “sniping”. What possible motivation would Israel have for setting snipers on children? Even if Israelis _were_ horrible bloodthirsty monsters as described by some in this thread, I thought we wanted plausible deniability? If we don’t, why not just bomb without evacuation orders? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/666 "2025-06-30T18:27:01Z")
Genocide, or attempted genocide, doesn’t necessarily require direct leadership intent and orders. Sometimes all it might need is a relative handful of monsters in key positions in the military, and superior officers who look the other way. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/667 "2025-06-30T19:08:44Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The only evidence provided that it was a sniper and not any old rifle is that the people were hit in the center of mass or head. _Only_ hit in the head in many cases. That - and witness reports. So no, not the only evidence. > [@Babale](#): > > What possible motivation would Israel have for setting snipers on children? Looks like they’re emulating their great American colonizer heroes … ‘nits make lice’ - we all know how genocidal barbarians think. > [@Babale](#): > > I thought we wanted plausible deniability? Clearly some of you are just that stupid to think it’d work - or think everyone else is dumb enough to believe you. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/668 "2025-06-30T19:30:42Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Looks like they’re emulating their great American colonizer heroes … ‘nits make lice’ - we all know how genocidal barbarians think. If these fine men had been slightly less barbaric they’d have just shot Indian children in the head instead destroying a major food source to starve them onto reservations which clearly, for their part, was not an act of genocide/ethnic cleansing. [![](https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/legacy_blog/767px-Bison_skull_pile_edit.jpg) ](https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/legacy_blog/767px-Bison_skull_pile_edit.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/669 "2025-06-30T19:43:33Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > If these fine men had been slightly less barbaric they’d have just shot Indian children in the head [They did that too](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_Creek_massacre#Chivington_attacks_the_camp) > There was one little child, probably three years old, just big enough to walk through the sand. The Indians had gone ahead, and this little child was behind, following after them. The little fellow was perfectly naked, travelling in the sand. I saw one man get off his horse at a distance of about seventy-five yards and draw up his rifle and fire. He missed the child. Another man came up and said, ‘let me try the son of a b-. I can hit him.’ He got down off his horse, kneeled down, and fired at the little child, but he missed him. A third man came up, and made a similar remark, and fired, and the little fellow dropped. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/670 "2025-06-30T19:59:46Z")
I learned about Sand Creek in my teens . . . of course not in ‘’‘American history’‘’ class but because I watched the 1970 movie _Soldier Blue_. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/671 "2025-06-30T20:54:17Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > What possible motivation would Israel have for setting snipers on children? Even if Israelis _were_ horrible bloodthirsty monsters as described by some in this thread, “Some Israelis are sniping children” is not the same as a blanket “Israel is sniping children.” It only takes a small number of evil people performing evil acts to blow up into wholesale accusations against entire groups of people. Is it possible some IDF members were evil enough to deliberately target children? Of course it’s possible. The problem is _proving_ it. Then you have the question of whether it was their own idea or something ordered from above, which also requires proof. All of which takes place in a war zone where proving anything is going to be challenging. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Looks like they’re emulating their great American colonizer heroes … ‘nits make lice’ - we all know how genocidal barbarians think. In case anyone isn’t clear on the quote, it’s attributed to one [John Chivington in regards to the Sand Creek Massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Chivington#Sand_Creek_Massacre) It’s not a proud moment in US history. > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > If these fine men had been slightly less barbaric they’d have just shot Indian children in the head instead destroying a major food source to starve them onto reservations which clearly, for their part, was not an act of genocide/ethnic cleansing. Please. Both actions were genocidal. As were the forced boarding schools, smallpox contaminated blankets, and all the other shameful acts perpetrated in the European settlement of North America. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/672 "2025-06-30T20:56:28Z")
I guess I should have added that _/s_ after all… ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/673 "2025-06-30T20:57:03Z")
Probably. Sarcasm doesn’t come across well in plain text. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/674 "2025-06-30T21:08:15Z")
And if you find an American who denies our own genocide, then you’ve found a Republican. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/675 "2025-06-30T21:30:21Z")
The disingenuous Bibi-fanbois are not going to engage in anything resembling good faith debate. The genocide apologist replied to my accusation of playing semantics with “genocide” by demanding a definition. To think you’ll get anything worthwhile from such a unapologetic sealion is madness. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/676 "2025-06-30T23:23:19Z")
…I woke up to news this morning that they nearly got Bayan. I started to follow a lot of Palestinians on Twitter at the start of the war. It’s one of the reasons why I’m still on the platform, despite all of Elon Musk’s shenanigans. And one of those people is Bayan, a journalist, one of the few left standing. There are a few less journalists today. The IDF targeted a beachfront cafe, one of the few places that still has the internet, and is frequented by journalists where they would file news stories for foreign agencies. > **['All I see is blood': Horror as Gaza cafe popular with students hit by airstrike](https://news.sky.com/story/as-israel-intensifies-its-bombardment-of-devastated-gaza-diplomatic-efforts-feel-like-theyre-unfolding-on-another-planet-13390644)** > > One of Gaza City's few remaining beachfront cafes - a rare location still offering reliable internet access - was struck, with dozens of people reportedly killed and wounded. Some footage from the scene. (spoiled because it contains blood and dead bodies. Twitter link) [https://x.com/hzomlot/status/1939728597821915350](https://x.com/hzomlot/status/1939728597821915350) The strike killed 30. It included journalists Omar Zaino, and Ismail Abu Hatab, also a photographer and filmmaker whose works featured in an exhibition in Los Angeles. > > > Drop Site @DropSiteNews This is relentless. The people in Gaza are trapped. The stories of tragedy, _countless_. For all the high profile stories like the GHF massacres, there are thousands of stories that happen daily that most won’t even hear. And there are people I follow who sometimes quietly just stop posting. I don’t know if they can’t access the internet or are dead. Sometimes people will write their farewells as bombs and bullets land around them. Bayan stopped posting for a little while in March/April last year. She was trapped in Gaza City during the Al Shifa massacre. If you haven’t heard of that, it happened during the time when everybody believed everything the IDF said: and Israel claimed it was “victory” and had killed and captured hundreds of terrorists. Most people believed them. > **[Al-Shifa Medical Complex witnesses one of the largest massacres in...](https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/al-shifa-medical-complex-witnesses-one-largest-massacres-palestinian-history-enar)** > > News and Press Release in Arabic on occupied Palestinian territory about Health and Protection and Human Rights; published on 1 Apr 2024 by Euro-Med Monitor One of those “terrorists” was Bayan’s brother. As she tells it: > [@](#): > > Israeli forces murdered my only brother in front of my eyes. > Almost everyone else in these photos ended up dead or injured the next following days. Link spoiled as it includes photos of her dead brother, and some blood. [Bayan Abusultan on Instagram: "Israeli forces murdered my only brother in front of my eyes. Almost everyone else in these photos ended up dead or injured the next following days. March 19, 2024. 📍 Our house, Gaza City, Palestine. #Gaza #Palestine"](https://www.instagram.com/p/C5JWAFnLpZK/?hl=en&img_index=1) He was shot on their doorstep as he looked outside to see what was going on. And they nearly got her today. They are calling this the first “live-streamed genocide.” Because we are getting to intimately know the people before they are killed. Also killed today was Dr Shehada Mahmoud Asqoul, consultant pulmonologist and former head of the Pulmonology Department at Nasser. They targeted and hit his _tent_. It was the second attempt to kill him, they tried before five weeks ago. This isn’t going to stop. Months ago Hamas agreed to release all of the hostages and step down from power if Israel withdrew from Gaza and agreed to a permanent ceasefire. Israeli leadership scoffed at the deal. They will only offer a _temporary_ ceasefire in exchange for all the hostages. Then they will almost certainly resume where they left off. Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit. You enabled this. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/677 "2025-07-01T00:00:39Z")
But there were documented cases of Indigenous people attacking white settlers, so it was justified self-defense /s ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/678 "2025-07-01T00:04:14Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > This isn’t going to stop. Months ago Hamas agreed to release all of the hostages and step down from power if Israel withdrew from Gaza and agreed to a permanent ceasefire. This is a lie, of course. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Israeli leadership scoffed at the deal. They will only offer a _temporary_ ceasefire in exchange for all the hostages. Then they will almost certainly resume where they left off. A temporary ceasefire _with Hamas_. The goal of the war is for Hamas to be destroyed. If they stepped down and released the hostages, mission accomplished. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/679 "2025-07-01T00:08:24Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > The disingenuous Bibi-fanbois are not going to engage in anything resembling good faith debate. Interestingly most of the debate is from the “fanbois” as you would have it. FWIW…I despise Netanyahu. I despise Trump too. Maybe more. They are both horrible people and it is shocking to me this is who we pick to govern us. You’ve got nothing but vitriol to spew. You have zero engagement with the issues. Just an angry person pounding sand and ranting. You are the crazy person on the beach everyone tries to ignore. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/680 "2025-07-01T00:12:31Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Interestingly most of the debate is from the “fanbois” as you would have it. Loose definition you have of debate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=35)