# Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 22, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962 "2025-06-22T01:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/681 "2025-07-01T00:13:59Z")
Do you see the irony in what you just posted? Typical. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/682 "2025-07-01T00:16:07Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Interestingly most of the debate is from the “fanbois” as you would have it. I’m not here claiming to debate people who blanketly defend the IDF’s actions in Gaza with “ignorance”, ignoring cites, and “BUT HAMAS”. I’m here to say those people are pieces of shit. You’re a piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/683 "2025-07-01T00:18:06Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > I’m not here claiming to debate people who blanketly defend the IDF’s actions in Gaza with “ignorance”, ignoring cites, and “BUT HAMAS”. I’m here to say those people are pieces of shit. You’re a piece of shit. So…not a debate. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/684 "2025-07-01T00:39:30Z")
…Babale is claiming once again, without evidence, that what I said was a lie. > [@aljazeera](#): > > For its part, Hamas has said it is willing to free the remaining captives all at once in exchange for a permanent ceasefire. It has also said it is willing to cede control of the Gaza Strip to an interim government, as proposed in an Arab League-backed $53bn plan for the enclave’s reconstruction. > **[Hamas agrees to a Gaza ceasefire, sources say; US and Israel reject offer](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/27/hamas-agrees-to-a-gaza-ceasefire-sources-say-us-and-israel-dismiss-report)** > > Sources say Hamas agreed to a US plan for a 60-day truce and release of 10 captives, but Washington denies the claim. Lest they complain that it’s a link to aljazeera, here’s an American link from a month before: > **[Hamas ready to cede control of Gaza, official says](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/hamas-ready-cede-control-gaza-official-says-rcna194042)** > > “We are ready today, if not yesterday, to step back from governance,” Basem Naim, a senior political official for Hamas, told NBC News. > [@](#): > > Hamas is willing to cede political power and administrative [governance of the Gaza Strip](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/gaza-strip-controls-s-know-rcna119405) to a Palestinian unity government, but would not disarm unless an independent Palestinian state is achieved, Basem Naim, a senior political official for Hamas, told NBC News. It backs up what I said. That Hamas _were willing to step down_. They will release all of the hostages and cede control of the strip. But that isn’t enough for Babale. Because it was never about the hostages. They don’t _care_ about the hostages. They won’t stop until the “destruction of Hamas.” But they aren’t even targeting Hamas. If they were they would be telling us exactly who they were killing every single day. Because these are supposed to be “targeted strikes”. The strike that nearly killed Bayan and killed 30 other people…who was the target? The strike that killed Dr Shehada Mahmoud Asqoul, was Hamas hiding under his tent? Israel should accept the terms of the ceasefire, get the hostages back, let Hamas cede control to an independent Palestinian authority, and then if Israel wants to use their super-secret pager bombs to take out the last of the Hamas terrorists (and I mean actual terrorists, NOT a low-level government employees) I’m not going to object. If that’s what it takes to finally end this: then so be it. Because we know Israel are perfectly capable of doing exactly that. They can end the suffering of the Palestinian people _today_. But they won’t. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/685 "2025-07-01T00:40:50Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > You’ve got nothing but vitriol to spew. You have zero engagement with the issues. Just an angry person pounding sand and ranting. …do you condemn the IDF for the multiple atrocities they have committed in Gaza since October the 8th? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/686 "2025-07-01T00:45:57Z")
Do you think Israel has a right to defend itself knowing that will be by military action? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/687 "2025-07-01T00:47:19Z")
…I have said over and over again that yes, Israel had a right to defend themselves. Do you condemn the IDF for the multiple atrocities they have committed in Gaza since October the 8th? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/688 "2025-07-01T00:51:10Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Do you condemn the IDF for the multiple a I am not agreeing with “atrocities.” It’s war…people get killed. It is terrible. If you agree they can defend themselves then not seeing atrocities. Just war…which sucks and lots of innocents get caught up in. Nothing new there. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/689 "2025-07-01T00:53:01Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I am not agreeing with “atrocities. …do you not consider the murder of the 15 Palestinian Red Cross workers an atrocity? > **[Palestinian Red Crescent details medic’s account of 15 colleagues’ slaughter](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/04/palestinian-red-crescent-details-medics-account-of-15-colleagues-slaughter)** > > Exclusive: Asaad al-Nasasra told PRCS he heard Israeli troops shoot first responders while they were clinging to life You’ve obviously seen the video. Listened to the screams. If not an atrocity: what would you call it? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/690 "2025-07-01T00:55:33Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > If not an atrocity: what would you call it? War. And yeah…troops who went too far should absolutely be prosecuted. No question. That doesn’t answer the bigger question of the conflict though. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/691 "2025-07-01T01:03:47Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > War. …here’s your answer, folks. Whack-a-Mole flies his flag. This was the straight-up _execution_ of aid workers who were just trying to save lives. Then they tried to cover it up. There is no more obvious atrocity in a _sea_ of atrocities. Whack-a-Mole, like Babale, no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt. They _support_ this genocide, _unequivocally_. They had every opportunity to condemn this. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > That doesn’t answer the bigger question of the conflict though. What bigger question? War crimes are war crimes. Yes: Israel had a right to defend themselves. But they crossed the line into war crimes in the very early days of the war, and they simply haven’t stopped. Why are you simply unable to condemn this? I support the Palestinian people. But I condemn every terrorist act. I condemn the firing of the rockets, I condemn the atrocity of October 7th. Why can’t you do the same for Israel? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/692 "2025-07-01T01:05:31Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Whack-a-Mole flies his flag. This was the straight-up _execution_ of aid workers who were just trying to save lives. Then they tried to cover it up. There is no more obvious atrocity in a _sea_ of atrocities. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > And yeah…troops who went too far should absolutely be prosecuted. No question. I think you missed a part there. This can only be purposeful and disingenuous on your part. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/693 "2025-07-01T01:09:05Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I think you missed a part there. This can only be purposeful on your part. …does being prosecuted somehow _negate the actual atrocity?_ Tell me how that works. Is it a magic spell? Explain exactly what difference it makes. And are the people that did it actually being prosecuted? And if they aren’t, does that negate the magic spell? Is it an atrocity now? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/694 "2025-07-01T01:11:59Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …does being prosecuted somehow _negate the actual atrocity?_ WTF? When someone kills someone we prosecute them. It doesn’t make the dead person alive again. But we punish the wrongdoer(s). Are you saying it is Israeli policy, orders EXPLICITLY given to their troops, to commit war crimes? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/695 "2025-07-01T01:17:32Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > When someone kills someone we prosecute them. …are they being prosecuted? A yes or no will suffice. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Are you saying it is Israeli policy, orders EXPLICITLY given to their troops, to commit war crimes? Why do you keep asking me questions but refusing to answer mine? It doesn’t have to be _policy_ to be an atrocity. For all of your “look it up in the dictionary” you screamed about earlier in the thread, I think you need to look up the meaning of “atrocity” here. So it doesn’t matter if it was “policy” or not. That isn’t relevant here at all. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/696 "2025-07-01T01:23:59Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …are they being prosecuted? A yes or no will suffice. I do not know (really…I don’t). > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > It doesn’t have to be _policy_ to be an atrocity. That’s the main thing though. You have many thousands of people running around with guns. We can expect some few of them to be a bit murdery minded. It will happen in any group like this. The important thing is the orders given to the troops. What is Israeli policy? If you want to say the orders are all about murder anything that moves then say so. If the orders were, “Kill all aid workers you see…kids too,” then say so. Otherwise, you’ve only got a solider who went nuts. Not a new thing at all and that soldier should be held to account fer sure. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/697 "2025-07-01T01:29:37Z")
From the Mississippi to the Pacific… ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/698 "2025-07-01T01:47:01Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I do not know (really…I don’t). …it seems quite important to your refusal to call this an atrocity. Surely you would know. Or at least be bothered to take a few minutes to actually look it up. > [@Times of Isreal](#): > > The IDF has dismissed the deputy commander of the Golani Brigade’s reconnaissance unit for his responsibility for an incident on March 23 in which his forces opened fire on a convoy of ambulances and emergency vehicles in southern Gaza’s Rafah, killing 15 rescue workers. > > … > > Additionally, the IDF says the commander of the 14th Reserve Armored Brigade — the unit leading the operation in Rafah when the killing of the medics took place — is being formally censured for his “overall responsibility for the incident,” including the management of the scene afterward. [https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog\_entry/idf-ousts-officer-responsible-for-incident-in-which-15-rescue-workers-were-killed-in-gaza/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-ousts-officer-responsible-for-incident-in-which-15-rescue-workers-were-killed-in-gaza/) A dismissal and a slap-on-the-wrist. No prosecutions. So an atrocity now? > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > You have many thousands of people running around with guns. We can expect some few of them to be a bit murdery minded. It will happen in any group like this. And when those thousands of people running around with guns get a bit murdery minded and execute multiple civilians, it’s an _atrocity_. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > The important thing is the orders given to the troops. It’s the important thing to _you_. But what you think doesn’t count in international law. What you think doesn’t matter to the dictionary definition of “atrocity.” > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > If you want to say the orders are all about murder anything that moves then say so. If the orders were, “Kill all aid workers you see…kids too,” then say so. Why would I say such nonsense? > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Otherwise, you’ve only got a solider who went nuts. _That isn’t what happened here_. Do some fucking research. Here is the most detailed analysis of what happened on that day. Read it in its entirity. > **[Two hours of terror: Sky News investigation reveals how Israel's deadly...](https://news.sky.com/story/two-hours-of-terror-sky-news-investigation-reveals-how-israels-deadly-attack-on-aid-workers-unfolded-13348776?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter)** > > New evidence unearthed by Sky News contradicts Israel's official account of the killing of 15 aid workers. Then come back to me and tell me that this _wasn’t_ an atrocity that they tried to cover up. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/699 "2025-07-01T01:48:32Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …it seems quite important to your refusal to call this an atrocity. Surely you would know. Or at least be bothered to take a few minutes to actually look it up. Back atcha…how do you know it is an atrocity? If you have info that answers this why have you withheld it? Not that aid worker #1 was killed but that it is policy to kill aid workers. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Then come back to me and tell me that this _wasn’t_ an atrocity that they tried to cover up. It’s a fucking WAR ZONE! Do you know the Allies bombed whole cities in WWII? Why? Because it was a fucking WAR ZONE! No one was wringing their hands about it. The fire bombing of Tokyo was arguably worse than the nukes we dropped later. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/700 "2025-07-01T02:01:47Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Back atcha…how do you know it is an atrocity? …because it clearly was an atrocious act. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > If you have info that answers this why have you withheld it? Not that aid worker #1 was killed but that is is policy to kill aid workers. Ah okay. You’ve conclusively lost the argument so now you are back to the default trolling mode. Concession accepted. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > It’s a fucking WAR ZONE! If you had read the article you would have known they were operating in an area that the IDF _hadn’t_ declared a combat zone. That meant coordination wasn’t required between the PRCS and the IDF. Here’s the thing. You are just fucking pig-ignorant. You don’t know anything about what is actually happening on the ground. You are literally just making stuff up now. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > No one was wringing their hands about it. And you aren’t going to wring your hands over the summary execution of 15 Palestinian aid workers. Gotcha. Their lives mean _nothing_ to you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=36)