# Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 22, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962 "2025-06-22T01:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/741 "2025-07-24T13:53:14Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Hasn’t Netanyahu already rejected that option?. If you’re referencing what Banquet Bear has claimed, then no - Hamas offered to “step down” and let someone else (the PA) “control” the strip, by which they mean, they’ll step back and let the PA take over long enough for Israel to withdraw, then they’ll once again murder the PA officials and take over the strip. You know, like they did last time they came to power. Hamas has never put disarming on the table. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/742 "2025-07-24T13:57:38Z")
Babies are dying of malnutrition ie starving to death. Kids are picking through garbage and debris piles for food. People who are starving are being shot and killed for trying to get food from _3_ distibution points. They not only bombed hospitals and turned patients into the sreets, they dismantled and destoyed medical equipment. _ **This is genocide,** _ and war crimes, any other country in the world would be condemned, and treated like the murderers they are. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/743 "2025-07-24T14:02:59Z")
There is already an international warrant out against Netanyahu for crimes against humanity. Not so easy to get something like that enforced against a serving politician, though. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/744 "2025-07-24T14:26:37Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The fact that people like Dribble here have been peddling this lie for over a year now without actual starvation materializing might be a clue that they’re unreliable narrators now as well, but what do I know? Apparently you don’t know that actual starvation has materialized. > **[Mass starvation spreading across Gaza, aid agencies warn, as Israeli...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jul/23/israel-gaza-war-aid-benjamin-netanyahu-hamas-middle-east-latest-news-updates)** > > More than 100 aid agencies, including Doctors Without Borders, Save the Children and Oxfam, say ‘our colleagues and those we serve are wasting away’ Or that it was happening last year too: > **[Catastrophic hunger doubles in 2024; Gaza and Sudan worst hit](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/09/1154001)** > > The number of people experiencing catastrophic hunger has surged more than twofold in 2024, due largely to the ongoing conflicts in Gaza and Sudan, according to new figures released by the UN on Thursday. Will you admit you were wrong? Of course not - you’ll just make up more lies. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/745 "2025-07-24T14:28:13Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Apparently you don’t know that actual starvation has materialized. Also, this (gift link): > **[Gazans Are Dying of Starvation](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/24/world/middleeast/gaza-starvation.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.sxAW.YcOQYQXa7u1W&smid=url-share)** > > Severe hunger has gripped the war-torn Palestinian enclave, where growing numbers of people are starving and the doctors treating them are working on empty stomachs. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/746 "2025-07-24T14:32:41Z")
I meant the US needs to join in the commendation I know I wasn’t at all clear.😚 ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/747 "2025-07-24T14:47:00Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Will you admit you were wrong? Of course not - you’ll just make up more lies. The bottom line is that he doesn’t see the Palestinians as fully human. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/748 "2025-07-24T14:51:01Z")
I’m pretty sure you meant to say “condemnation”, there, not “commendation”. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/749 "2025-07-24T15:05:43Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > not “commendation”. Oh I don’t know…I can see trump giving Bibi a commendation for genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/750 "2025-07-24T15:10:22Z")
Oops, used the suggestion on my phone. I couldn’t see it properly. I’ll try to be more careful That is a very unfotunat mistak. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/751 "2025-07-24T15:37:59Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > That was my response to you being a lying piece of shit That wasn’t in a reply to me. > [@Babale](#): > > a lying piece of shit who pretended that mass starvation began over a year ago and has been ongoing since. Me. Oh, and [the people](https://www.ipcinfo.org/) who actually study this shit. > [@Babale](#): > > without actual starvation materializing You realize not everyone is in your propaganda bubble and can [read the actual news](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/23/we-faced-hunger-before-but-never-like-this-skeletal-children-fill-hospital-wards-as-starvation-grips-gaza), right? Really going for broke there, though. > [@Babale](#): > > When this war is over and the Gazans haven’t gone anywhere Well, I guess buried in rubble counts as not going anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/752 "2025-07-24T15:53:16Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Hamas offered to “step down” and let someone else (the PA) “control” the strip …fact check: this is _true_. > **[Hamas ready to cede control of Gaza, official says](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/hamas-ready-cede-control-gaza-official-says-rcna194042)** > > “We are ready today, if not yesterday, to step back from governance,” Basem Naim, a senior political official for Hamas, told NBC News. > [@Babale](#): > > by which they mean, they’ll step back and let the PA take over long enough for Israel to withdraw, then they’ll once again murder the PA officials and take over the strip. You know, like they did last time they came to power. This is nothing but speculation. It imagines a parity with previous situations, not with what Gaza is facing right now, which is mass-death from starvation, almost the entire country in ruins. Absolutely nothing will be the same as it was before. Hamas aren’t just going to pick up from where they were before. That simply isn’t going to happen. And Israel _never_ negotiates in good faith. They haven’t in this conflict. They didn’t with Lebanon, with Iran, with Syria. The party to worry about in these negotiations isn’t Hamas. It’s Israel. They breached the last ceasefire which has resulted in this current phase, the most deadly phase of this so-called “war.” You can go back and read all of my posts. If I’ve gotten something wrong I’ve admitted it. But I’ve called this conflict almost entirely correctly from the start. I _hate_ being right. I wish I was wrong. What Babale doesn’t realise is that I so _wish_ they were right. Because if he were, the Palestinians in Gaza wouldn’t be facing a genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/753 "2025-07-24T17:49:30Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > When this war is over and the Gazans haven’t gone anywhere, will they admit they were wrong? As a general rule dead people - whether blown up, buried in rubble, dead of thirst, perished from disease, or starved to death - tend not to go anywhere, this is true. There will always be Palestinians in Gaza because that’s where they died. You don’t actually have to kill everyone for it to be a genocide. I didn’t think I’d ever have to explain that to someone Jewish but here we are. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/754 "2025-07-24T18:16:19Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > You don’t actually have to kill everyone for it to be a genocide. I didn’t think I’d ever have to explain that to someone Jewish but here we are. You don’t have to explain it to me, you disingenuous piece of shit. You can have a genocide by killing one person. What matters is the _dolus specialis_ or special intent. But you don’t _actually_ give a shit about international law; no one does. That’s why you don’t actually _understand it_ well enough to know _the most basic component of the legal definition of genocide_. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/755 "2025-07-24T18:21:18Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > You don’t actually have to kill everyone for it to be a genocide. I didn’t think I’d ever have to explain that to someone Jewish but here we are. Interesting article on the reluctance of some to admit the facts. > The reason lies in not only Israel’s history as a haven for the Jewish victims of genocide but also an unduly narrow understanding of the meaning of the term, by both the public and the international court of justice (ICJ). > > Israel benefits from a halo effect associated with the Holocaust. Because the state of Israel was founded in response to the Nazi genocide, it is harder to accept that the Israeli government in turn would commit genocide. One obviously does not preclude the other, but Israel benefits from the cognitive dissonance. > … > That is a better way to understand what the Israeli government today is doing in Gaza. Although the Netanyahu government has displayed a shocking indifference to Palestinian civilian life there, it has not tried to kill all Palestinians. Rather, it has killed enough of them, and imposed conditions of starvation and deprivation that are sufficiently severe, to force them to flee, if things go according to plan. The far-right Israeli ministers Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir have openly articulated that goal, as has Netanyahu. > **[Why are we reluctant to recognize Israel’s genocide in Gaza? | Kenneth Roth](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/24/israel-genocide-gaza)** > > A narrow understanding of the term, as well as Israel’s history as a haven for genocide victims, explains the dissonance ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/756 "2025-07-24T18:22:50Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > But you don’t _actually_ give a shit about international law; no one does. That’s why you don’t actually _understand it_ well enough to know _the most basic component of the legal definition of genocide_. When you’re the only person who seems to understand something one way, maybe it’s time to question if _your_ understanding is correct. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/757 "2025-07-24T18:27:26Z")
Maybe they’re starving and killing Gazan civilians en masse, but it’s okay because it’s not intentional? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/758 "2025-07-24T18:31:47Z")
Maybe they’ve openly stated the goal is to get the Gazans to flee Gaza, and they are implementing policies that will result in it, but those two things are completely unrelated and coincidental. No intent at all. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/759 "2025-07-24T19:10:53Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > When you’re the only person who seems to understand something one way, maybe it’s time to question if _your_ understanding is correct. It must be very comforting to be as stupid as you are. Outside of the echo chamber that is threads where BanquetBear and MrDribble have managed to scare off anyone who’s not as masochistic as me from replying, I’m _far_ from the only person who understands this definition of genocide. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Maybe they’re starving and killing Gazan civilians en masse, but it’s okay because it’s not intentional? Don’t take it up with me, take it up with the people who defined genocide in international law to have the special intent component. > [@TroutMan](#): > > Maybe they’ve openly stated the goal is to get the Gazans to flee Gaza, “They” is doing a lot of work there. > [@TroutMan](#): > > and they are implementing policies that will result in it, You’re fucking delusional if you think Gazans are going to leave Gaza en masse. How on Earth do you even envision this happening? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/760 "2025-07-24T19:20:47Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You’re fucking delusional if you think Gazans are going to leave Gaza en masse. How on Earth do you even envision this happening? I dunno, ask the people who say they’re trying to make it happen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=39)