# Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 22, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962 "2025-06-22T01:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/101 "2025-06-22T22:26:49Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > As horrid as Trump is, if he keeps American ground troops out of it, then he will have avoided 99% of the problems of Dubya-Iraq-2003. I don’t know about 99%, but yes, obviously, the more involved we are militarily, the more chaos, less predictable, and more unintended consequences. My point is that I’m seeing the same kind of justifications for military involvement now that I was then for Iraq. And this time the leadership is _much, much worse_. So I’m still having trouble comprehending how people who were around at those times are so comfortable with the same bullshit justifications and much worse leadership. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/102 "2025-06-22T22:27:40Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > By dismantling their proxy network and the very impressive suppression of Iran’s ballistic missiles, Israel has been able to accomplish incredible results at a relatively low cost in terms of Iran’s response. Yeah. Sure. You got results cheap. I some that will be of great consolation to the maimed, dead, and survivors _on both sides_ of this conflict. Probably just as well I’ll never be in a position to make these sorts of decisions. I can’t seem to lose sight of the people on the other side of the conflict as fellow human beings. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/103 "2025-06-22T22:27:54Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I was not thinking, it was what took place, otherwise, what Netanyahu said about Iran getting the bomb in the past was pure Poppycock. Nice, very dishonest quote job there. The very next words after you cut me off are: > [@Babale](#): > > Maybe you think a perpetual state of Iran being months from a nuclear weapon is acceptable I’m not _disputing_ that the nuclear deal successfully kept Iran a few months from a nuclear bomb perpetually. I’m disputing whether that’s_actually a desirable outcome_. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/104 "2025-06-22T22:29:18Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > If you ran Israel would you let Iran get nukes? If BanquetBear ever ran Israel, he’d _immediately_ dismantle it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/105 "2025-06-22T22:34:10Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Yeah. Sure. You got results cheap. We don’t even know that yet. We may not know the cost for years. For all we know this will set off a chain of events that could kill hundreds or thousands or more, in Israel and beyond. And with US involvement, this could include us. We really have no idea. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/106 "2025-06-22T22:34:20Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I’m not _disputing_ that the nuclear deal successfully kept Iran a few months from a nuclear bomb perpetually. I’m disputing whether that’s_actually a desirable outcome_. Since I’m on the record (going many years into the past) of supporting Israel when other countries threaten it, your accusations of dishonesty are very underwhelming. I’m more in the camp that just like the British did not vote for Churchill after the WWII, so does the warmongering and also the dishonesty of Netanyahu should pay a price. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/107 "2025-06-22T22:39:19Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I’m more in the camp that just like the British did not vote for Churchill after the WWII, so does the warmongering and also the dishonesty of Netanyahu should pay a price. Netanyahu doesn’t belong in office because of his massive failures that led to Oct 7; his success at dismantling Iran’s proxies and now Iran’s armed forces only call into question, why did he wait so long to do this? Why were we so scared to enter Gaza, or take substantial action against Hezbollah, or directly address Iran at all, until Oct 7 forced our hand? A better man than him would have recognized this on Oct 8 and resigned. And secondly, he doesn’t belong in office because of the crimes he committed in terms of corruption. None of that changes the fact that the current operations against Iran are astoundingly effective and absolutely the proper course of action. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/108 "2025-06-22T22:40:20Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > ETA: And let’s not forget there have been at least six full blown military actions (wars) launched against Israel since 1947. Their neighbors tried very, very hard to wipe them off the map. It occurred to me that in all the talk of Israel committing genocide no one ever mentions that these various groups seeking the destruction of Israel are literally seeking genocide. They are advertising it proudly as a goal. They may not use that word but that is exactly what they want and would do it in a heartbeat if ever given the chance. It should come as no surprise that Israel works very hard to never give them that chance. Neither would you (general “you”) if you were in their shoes. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/109 "2025-06-22T22:41:40Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > It occurred to me that in all the talk of Israel committing genocide no one ever mentions that these various groups seeking the destruction of Israel are literally seeking genocide. They are advertising it proudly as a goal. They may not use that word but that is exactly what they want and would do it in a heartbeat if ever given the chance. Then you’ve missed a ton of discussion, since this gets mentioned all the frickin’ time. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/110 "2025-06-22T22:43:44Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > It occurred to me that in all the talk of Israel committing genocide no one ever mentions that these various groups seeking the destruction of Israel are literally seeking genocide. I refer you to the “Hierarchy of Oppression” thread. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/111 "2025-06-22T22:45:39Z")
The we agree more than we disagree, I would still add that of all that you mentioned, the impression I get is that any chance for peace is bound to be ignored. Because if there is peace, the leader will lose power or even go to jail for what he did. That goes for both leaders that are against Iran… ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/112 "2025-06-22T22:50:02Z")
I completely missed that thread. I’ll read it later. Thanks. (I assume you mean this thread: [Intersectionality and the Oppression Pyramid](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intersectionality-and-the-oppression-pyramid/1018016) ) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/113 "2025-06-22T22:52:30Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > (I assume you mean this thread: [Intersectionality and the Oppression Pyramid](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intersectionality-and-the-oppression-pyramid/1018016) ) Yeah. Israel doesn’t specifically come up IIRC, but that’s the dynamic at play here ---
**Author:** ![natureboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4491bb/32.png) [@natureboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/natureboy)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/114 "2025-06-22T23:15:41Z")
> [@bump](#): > > what interest does the US have in intervening in whatever nonsense Israel and Iran have going on? Do we really have to spell it out? I think the divide within the administration pretty much makes it clear what the dynamics in play are. > [@bump](#): > > Not that I don’t like seeing Iran get their ass kicked; they’ve been international politics assholes for _decades_, and really deserve to be slapped around IMO. Iranians are people, just like Israelis are people. We shouldn’t want anyone’s asses kicked; we should want diplomacy, which was apparently working until both Israel and the United States used a fake negotiations process as a setup for a sneak attack, blatantly violating the UN Charter. ---
**Author:** ![natureboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4491bb/32.png) [@natureboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/natureboy)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/115 "2025-06-22T23:22:00Z")
If Israel was so worried about the Iranian state wiping Israel off the map, why did they supply them with weapons in their war with Iraq in the 1980s? Why did Israel once support Hamas? We can’t act like these things never happened because they _did_. Israel is the biggest thug in the Middle East. It occurred to me that in all the talk about how Gazans shouldn’t have voted for Hamas, it didn’t amount to shit in the West Bank because Israel has greenlighted violent assaults on Palestinians there so that settlers could expand and take over. Israel is committing genocide - full stop. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/116 "2025-06-23T00:02:54Z")
> **[How effective was the US attack on Iran’s nuclear sites? A visual guide](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/22/how-effective-was-the-us-attack-on-irans-nuclear-sites-a-visual-guide)** > > Trump claims the assault ‘totally obliterated’ the key facilities, but what do we know about its impact? So we don’t even know if the attack did serious damage to Iran’s capabilities. How fucking predictable is this? An idiot in charge makes a decision based on domestic politics (and his own ego-based concerns), with poor intelligence, with only idiots and grifters as advisors, and we have no idea if it even accomplished its goal, and in the meantime Iran will be planning a response that could threaten hundreds or thousands of lives, including American lives. And some of you fucks are cheering this on? What the fuck is wrong with you? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/117 "2025-06-23T00:07:50Z")
“Sure, Trump is a blithering idiot who cares about nothing but his own wealth and glorification, chooses advisors and staff based on obsequiosness over skill or experience, and will use any rationalization or justification he can grab to further his own power, but he somehow accidentally stumbled into a long term solution for the Iran nuclear weapons problem.” How can anyone fucking think like this at all? Who is this fucking stupid? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/118 "2025-06-23T00:08:03Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And some of you fucks are cheering this on? Slow them down or just let them have nukes in a few months. Hmm…what to do…what to do? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/119 "2025-06-23T00:08:40Z")
Says who? Who the fuck are you trusting with this “few months” bullshit that’s been going on for decades? You know what? Fuck you for spreading Netanyahu’s and Trump’s lies. That’s a choice you’re making. Fuck you for it. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/120 "2025-06-23T00:13:26Z")
We know Iran is working towards a nuclear weapon. They did not build Fordo waaaay underground because it is a peaceful nuclear facility. Was Iran close to nukes this time? Maybe not. Were they working diligently towards that goal? Definitely. Someday they would succeed. Do you support a nuclear armed Iran? If so, fuck you too. Iran has for decades worked to destabilize the region with violence. You think they will become nice guys tomorrow? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=7)