# Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 22, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962 "2025-06-22T01:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 68
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2026, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1341 "2026-04-09T09:18:52Z")
Well with past shocks the market dips a bit when Trump says something crazy, and recovers _more_ than its losses when he takes it back. It’s part of why US stocks are at record valuations relative to earnings. I don’t know enough about finance to know if that’s a sword of damocles. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1342 "2026-04-10T11:16:06Z")
I suspect a big part of Babs and maybe others’ refusal to accept reality is the assumption and certainty that the governments/militaries of the US and Israel couldn’t possibly ever be close to as morally evil as Hamas and the government of Iran. And anyone even considering comparing them most necessarily be stupid, dishonest, evil, or all three. No matter the mistakes we might make, we could never be as evil as _those guys over there._ Kind of like how many or most everyday Germans in the 1930s probably couldn’t have ever imagined their government engaging in genocide of millions. No, it could never be us… We could never do such a thing… Lesson to Babs and others - we aren’t special. Our governments aren’t special. The Germans in the 30s weren’t special. Palestinians and Iranians aren’t special. We’re all just people, with the same sort of flaws, and the same sort of susceptibility to fascism and atrocities. And a necessary (but not sufficient) characteristic to make sure it never happens again to is to never assume your own group, or favored groups, could never do the same thing. To fight the earliest possible signs of atrocities - like _deliberate starvation_, _overt segregation and oppression_, _targeting of journalists_, _rationalization of civilian killings_, _genocidal language by leaders_, etc. And most relevant to this thread, _don’t fucking start wars of choice._ Even more, _don’t start wars of choice with clowns in charge with no strategy, no mission, and no plan._ It’s amazing that this is at all a controversial opinion. Some people’s brains are broken. One day the ones with any shred of sense left will realize it and feel ashamed. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1343 "2026-04-10T13:01:26Z")
If Babs were to change his mind and agree with you, it would mean changing the way he lives his life. He can’t rebel against his community, or they’d exile him. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1344 "2026-04-10T13:24:53Z")
I don’t buy that. He lives in CA, IIRC. It’s in his mind. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1345 "2026-04-10T13:27:53Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > If Babs were to change his mind and agree with you, it would mean changing the way he lives his life. He can’t rebel against his community, or they’d exile him No, my community would support me if I developed crippling brain damage. Anyways, you should probably stop the armchair psychology before you hurt yourself. It simply demonstrates that you have no idea what you’re talking about. I live in the US, and I’m married to an American. “My community” is overwhelmingly American political normies who are parents, with a heavily progressive skew because I live in California. There are far more Pro Pallies in “my community” than Pro Israelis. The reason I don’t “change my mind” is that I’m actually aware of the situation in Israel. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1346 "2026-04-10T13:28:49Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > … We’re all just people, with the same sort of flaws, and the same sort of susceptibility to fascism and atrocities. … That’s why I found the photo album (discussed a few years back) of off-duty concentration camp soldiers so disturbing. Just ordinary guys — just like you & me — whose day job was gassing and burning human beings. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1347 "2026-04-10T13:41:54Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The reason I don’t “change my mind” is that I’m actually aware of the situation in Israel. Oh, so you know about the ongoing genocide, then? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1348 "2026-04-10T13:44:34Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The reason I don’t “change my mind” is that I’m actually aware of the situation in Israel. Are you aware of the situation in Iran, in which we’ve killed hundreds or thousands of civilians, basically handed over control of the Strait of Hormuz to Iran, and vastly strengthened the IRGC’s control over the country (largely because civilians would prefer even their own tyrannical government to being bombed by foreigners)? And are you aware of the situation in America, in which this war is being run by catastrophically stupid assholes, with no real mission or strategy, to the point they weren’t even prepared for chaos in the Strait of Hormuz (which I remember being emphasized from junior level briefings in the Navy twenty years ago), and no problems with mass murder of civilians and other war crimes? Because those would seem to be highly relevant to the present situation. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1349 "2026-04-10T13:45:52Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Oh, so you know about the ongoing genocide, then? The one in Sudan? Because there isn’t one in Palestine. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1350 "2026-04-10T13:47:42Z")
And that makes everything okay! Apartheid is okay, because it’s not genocide. Warmongering is okay, because it’s not genocide. Mass murder of civilians is okay, because it’s not genocide. Mass starvation is okay, because it’s not genocide. And if it’s genocide, then I suppose they brought it on themselves, right? But let’s not distract from the most recent war - you know, the run by murderous idiots with no strategy and genocidal, apocalyptic, fanatical Christian rhetoric? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1351 "2026-04-10T14:10:33Z")
> [@International responses to "problematic" countries (like Iran)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/international-responses-to-problematic-countries-like-iran/1029122/49): > > No, I don’t agree. If the US, or France, or a coalition of neighboring African nations, or some combination of the above decided to intervene, I’d likely support that. That’s a political problem within the states capable of intervention right now, not an inherent problem with intervention as a concept. For example, in 2013 France intervened in Mali, which was a great move by them. If the US or France or the surrounding African states intervened militarily and put a stop to the conflict (th… Babs is basically all-intervention all-the-time now. He’s shifted his entire political persona into neocon, all to rationalize/justify these massively stupid and massively immoral wars. Trusting the worst people on the planet with the power to kill en masse. It’s amazing how single incidents that occur thousands of miles away can break people’s brains. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1352 "2026-04-10T14:17:01Z")
As always, it’s good to occasionally refresh our recollection of: [**Stanford Prison Experiment**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment) [**Third Wave Experiment**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave_(experiment)) [**Robbers Cave Experiment**](https://www.simplypsychology.org/robbers-cave.html) When all the criticism of methodology has quieted, we’re left with something as directionally significant as it is horrifying. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1353 "2026-04-10T14:30:44Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The one in Sudan? Because there isn’t one in Palestine. Yes there is. You just _approve_ of it, so you deny it. Just like a Nazi supporting would have denied the Holocaust. I’m quite sure that once the Palestinians are dead you’ll refuse to call it a genocide, and if Trump depopulates Iran with nuclear weapons you’ll refuse to call _that_ a genocide either. Anything to pile up more Muslim skulls. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1354 "2026-04-10T14:48:00Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Anything to pile up more Muslim skulls. More projection than a fucking megaplex. I know you’re incredibly misanthropic, and it must be a pretty sad shell of an existence to go through life distrusting people so much that you can’t even have an intimate relationship with a partner, since you’d feel you have to secretly record them to prevent false accusations of rape. I assume you’re so distrustful because you yourself are such a shitty person, and you know what you’d do to others, hence your fear that they will do unto you. But unlike you, I don’t despise vast swaths of the global population and want them to die. That form of psychosis is pretty unique to degenerates like yourself. I’d say that I hope you get over your crippling fears and successfully build a relationship with someone, but I wouldn’t wish a relationship with _you_ on my worst enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1355 "2026-04-10T14:51:26Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > since you’d feel you have to secretly record them to prevent false accusations of rape. Speaking of rape accusations, how do you feel about the five Israeli soldiers that were [acquitted of rape](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/12/israeli-military-top-lawyer-drops-charges-soldiers-palestinian-detainee-abuse-gaza) despite the attack being filmed, and have been celebrated by Bibi as “heroic warriors”? Oh, but don’t worry about the rule of law: the man that leaked the video has been arrested. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1356 "2026-04-10T14:53:06Z")
Did the rape victim condemn Hamas prior to being raped? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1357 "2026-04-10T15:01:13Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > But unlike you, I don’t despise vast swaths of the global population and want them to die. Sure you do. At the very least you’d kill all billion+ Muslims if you could. Probably, you’d prefer everyone on the planet who isn’t a right wing Israel supporter to die. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1358 "2026-04-10T15:06:01Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Sure you do. At the very least you’d kill all billion+ Muslims if you could. Probably, you’d prefer everyone on the planet who isn’t a right wing Israel supporter to die Wow, you’re _terrible_ at understanding other people. No wonder you’re an incel. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1359 "2026-04-10T15:08:51Z")
Incel \> genocidal piece of shit ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1360 "2026-04-10T15:09:12Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Wow, you’re _terrible_ at understanding other people. No wonder you’re an incel. I’m not an incel; but _you_ are a genocidal bigot who would happily run a death camp if given the chance. And tell yourself it wasn’t genocide even as you shoved people alive into the ovens. _Hostis humani generis_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=67) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=69)