# Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 22, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962 "2025-06-22T01:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/121 "2025-06-23T00:14:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So we don’t even know if the attack did serious damage to Iran’s capabilities. The day someone in Israel said “oh if only we had a way to bring those American MOPs into the fight” any sensible Iranian leadership would have ordered anything that could be moved to be moved. ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/122 "2025-06-23T00:15:26Z")
This is the essential reality that vanishes when we start talking about “Iran” and “Israel” and "the United States. It lets us punish and kill the innocent in the pursuit of the narrow aims of “nation” and “statecraft.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/123 "2025-06-23T00:15:27Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Was Iran close to nukes this time? Maybe not. So why were you spreading that “few months” bullshit? We had this contained with the JCPOA. Diplomacy actually can work sometimes. But Trump tore it up. And idiots like you are buying his bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/124 "2025-06-23T00:16:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So why were you spreading that “few months” bullshit? How do you know it is bullshit? Because it was bullshit before? Or do you have access to high level military intelligence? You are guessing as much as anyone here but act like you know the answer. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/125 "2025-06-23T00:17:31Z")
Yeah, I’m really going out on a limb by presuming Netanyahu and Trump are lying about something that has zero independent evidence supporting it… ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/126 "2025-06-23T00:19:30Z")
Sure. And I agree. Both of them are awful, awful people (really). It remains that Iran is working towards building its own nuclear bombs. That is without question. Given that, how long are we supposed to wait for it? Again, do you want to see a nuclear armed Iran? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/127 "2025-06-23T00:20:16Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > How do you know it is bullshit? Because it was bullshit before? Or do you have access to high level military intelligence? Without picking a side, I’d be willing to bet he’s more informed than the Idiot who gave the order. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/128 "2025-06-23T00:21:12Z")
I want the JCPOA. It was working. I want Trump and Netanyahu out of power. There’s no chance of anything getting better while they’re in power. I want idiots like you to use your fucking brain and not buy the evidence free lies, hook, line, and sinker, from professional liars who have been lying about this stuff for decades. Think about it. You’re really accepting the evidence free justification on why this had to happen _now_ from _fucking Trump_? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/129 "2025-06-23T00:25:51Z")
Under the JCPOA, this was the status quo: 1. Iran has plenty of nuclear material and the centrifuges to enrich it to bomb level 2. Iran continues to build up their arsenal of ballistic missiles 3. Iran continues to fund its Axis of Terror across the Middle East and actively attacking Israel with those proxies If you think this was a good status quo, or a noble goal to strive for now, fuck _you_. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/130 "2025-06-23T00:26:36Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > ETA: And let’s not forget there have been at least six full blown military actions (wars) launched against Israel since 1947. Their neighbors tried very, very hard to wipe them off the map. Although the last one was in 1973. Ever since it became an open secret that Israel has nukes and will invoke the Samson Option if necessary, destroying Israel by anything less than a quick devastating nuclear missile strike is no longer a real option. Hence Israel’s focus on enemy state nuclear programs– first Iraq and now Iran. Terrorism is a nuisance by comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/131 "2025-06-23T00:29:26Z")
How we got here is certainly the fault of Netanyahu and Trump and I will stand with you all day long criticizing them for it. Nevertheless, we are here now and have to deal with reality as it is. Iran with nukes is an existential threat to Israel and the US. Iran has worked since the late 70s to do nothing but try to destroy Israel and hurt the US. They WANT the mayhem. They WANT the destruction and have never shown any other side (maybe some temporary concessions to meet an immediate interest they have). They have backed up their rhetoric at every turn to seek the destruction of Israel, literally worked hard at it and, a more distant wish, hurt the United States. You would Neville Chamberlain us into a war. You’d hem-and-haw and wring your hands till it’s too late. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/132 "2025-06-23T00:30:42Z")
Fuck you you lying, cowardly, idiotic piece of shit. Go enlist and fight Iran yourself you fucking coward. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/133 "2025-06-23T00:31:52Z")
Eloquent to the last, I see. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/134 "2025-06-23T00:33:37Z")
For idiots who accept Trump’s and Netanyahu’s lies without question? Lies that could lead to war and thousands upon thousands of deaths? What’s the point of eloquence for fucks like that? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/135 "2025-06-23T00:34:25Z")
> [@Kropotkin](#): > > This is the essential reality that vanishes when we start talking about “Iran” and “Israel” and "the United States. It lets us punish and kill the innocent in the pursuit of the narrow aims of “nation” and “statecraft.” Trying to regard the people of a country as the helpless hostages of their government and trying to separate the two has been one of the most resounding political and military failures of the 21st century. It’s never worked and it probably never can work. In WW2 the Allies presumed that the people of Germany and Japan wholeheartedly endorsed and supported their governments’ military expansionism. Any other policy would have been foolhardy. ---
**Author:** ![natureboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4491bb/32.png) [@natureboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/natureboy)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/136 "2025-06-23T00:36:16Z")
Iran had agreed to inspections and enriching at civilian-use grade. #3 is a valid concern, but that’s not part of the framework and it would appear that Israel too care of that problem anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/137 "2025-06-23T00:37:46Z")
You assume Iran with nukes would make the world a safer place. That is the flaw in your reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/138 "2025-06-23T00:38:01Z")
More lies about me. Fuck you, liar. ---
**Author:** ![natureboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4491bb/32.png) [@natureboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/natureboy)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/139 "2025-06-23T00:38:05Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Nevertheless, we are here now and have to deal with reality as it is. Iran with nukes is an existential threat to Israel and the US. And North Korea isn’t? They fire missiles over Japan, which we defend by land, sea, and air. They’re not a threat? How come we didn’t bomb them? They also are a state sponsor of terror, btw. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/140 "2025-06-23T00:38:31Z")
A perfect example of a reason to stop them before they get nukes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=8)