# Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 22, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962 "2025-06-22T01:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 71
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2026, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1401 "2026-04-12T14:57:05Z")
Sheesh. > **[‘Everything is gone’: Israel destroys entire villages in Lebanon](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/12/how-israeli-offensive-destroyed-entire-villages-in-lebanon?CMP=share_btn_url)** > > Rights groups fear tactic of ‘domicide’ trialled in Gaza, where entire areas are made uninhabitable, is being used again ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2026, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1402 "2026-04-12T15:28:53Z")
They’re an expansionist colonial power, very much modeled on early America; _everyone_ in the region but them is a “threat” who has to be eliminated. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2026, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1403 "2026-04-12T19:01:21Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > If the Regime doesn’t fall and maintains it’s nuclear program, ballistic missile manufacturing and launch capacity, or ability to support a network of foreign proxies across the middle east, then of course I’ll be extremely critical of Trump’s failure. > > I don’t think Iran views that as very likely, considering how they’re lashing out at other Gulf states, at UK bases, etc. They believe that this war is existential for the regime even if you don’t. So Iran has retained their nuclear program, likely retained some missile manufacturing and launch capability (and will almost certainly be able to regain what they’ve lost with revenue from controlling the Strait), will be even wealthier and more eager/able to support terrorist proxies in the region, and has increased domestic support for its government. Oh, and they’ve shown the world that Iran can hold off the mightiest military in the world. Still think this war was the right move with Hegseth and Trump in charge? Was it worth killing so many Iranian women and children? Same question for you, @Wesley_Clark. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2026, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1404 "2026-04-12T22:44:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Still think this war was the right move with Hegseth and Trump in charge? Hindsight is 20/20. Who could have predicted it would turn out this way (other than everyone except warmongering pieces of shit)? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2026, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1405 "2026-04-12T23:42:58Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Was it worth killing so many Iranian women and children? In the eyes of such people that isn’t a _cost;_ it’s just the first step towards the annihilation of all Islamic people everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2026, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1406 "2026-04-13T01:40:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Still think this war was the right move with Hegseth and Trump in charge? Was it worth killing so many Iranian women and children? The warmonger will just call them terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2026, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1407 "2026-04-13T10:37:05Z")
> [@Ellecram](#): > > When will he learn that he cannot extricate himself from this situation by bombing or blockading? Never. Trump is not going to learn, he’s not going to change. He’s a bully and a thug. If this keeps up the world will unite against us and bring the US to ruin. There are plenty of vultures that will be happy to pick at the carcass - assuming the rest of the world doesn’t go down in the fight because it won’t be quick, clean, or pretty. > [@Moriarty](#): > > Is this Trump’s misguided way of trying to get Europe involved? Maybe? > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > It might simply be that he hates the idea of Iran possibly benefiting from tolls rather than himself, and so he’ll blockade the Strait in order to spite them. ^ More likely > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > > Was it worth killing so many Iranian women and children? > > In the eyes of such people that isn’t a _cost;_ it’s just the first step towards the annihilation of all Islamic people everywhere. Not to mention the crowd that WANTS to bring on Armageddon so as to bring back Jeebus. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2026, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1408 "2026-04-13T10:51:41Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > The warmonger will just call them terrorists. Or they’ll say that terrorists were hiding underneath babies’ cribs. Evidence pending. And in Lebanon…the towns are terrorist, OK? That’s why all buildings must be destroyed, including in controlled demolitions. ---
**Author:** ![carlb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carlb/32/5930_2.png) [@carlb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carlb)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2026, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1409 "2026-04-13T13:05:22Z")
I said it before, but to me the only semi-honorable way this war of choice can end is if: 1. Trump is removed from office, 2. New President immediately ceases all belligerent actions in and around Iran, 3. The US issues a formal apology to Iran, 4. The US offers reparations and assistance in rebuilding, and, 5. The US extradites TFG to Iran for trial. In exchange, we might be able to negotiate the re-opening of the Straits of Hormuz and maybe even an Obama-era-like nuclear deal. Of course, none of this will happen. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2026, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1410 "2026-04-13T13:18:19Z")
I think embarrassing defeat for the US including paying reparations to Iran will do it. And it’s pretty feasible I think…the US wants out of this ASAP and Trump losing bigly in Iran is much easier to handwave as “fake news” than gas prices. Heck, I’m surprised that a narrative of Trump “solving” the Hormuz strait problem “that Biden started” has not already spread round MAGA media. The wildcard remains Israel. This can’t end while Bibi wants it to continue. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2026, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1411 "2026-04-13T14:34:53Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Heck, I’m surprised that a narrative of Trump “solving” the Hormuz strait problem “that Biden started” has not already spread round MAGA media. Oh give them time. I expect to be hearing that in the next few days. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2026, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1412 "2026-04-13T14:36:57Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > And in Lebanon…the towns are terrorist, OK? Always. Hezbollah was created as a reaction to the Israeli invasion in 1982, which had as aim to purge South Lebanon of PLO as well as setting up a Maronite Christian rule for the country. Sometimes I wonder if the fascist elements of Israel want to take over all of Lebanon. There’s cleary needed some _lebensraum_. /cue a certain war apologist calling me tankie. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2026, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1413 "2026-04-13T15:51:36Z")
Well, when violence doesn’t solve the problem, there are always two choices: admit the violence was a bad idea, or insist that the failure was because there wasn’t ENOUGH violence. No amount of failure will ever convince those determined to stay in the second camp. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2026, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1414 "2026-04-13T17:06:22Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > there are always two choices: admit the violence was a bad idea, or insist that the failure was because there wasn’t ENOUGH violence. I agree with your analysis, I just can’t really think of any conflict that was ended because the protagonists admitted that violence was a bad idea. We human are good at rationality in theory- in theseses, papers, doctorates, degrees- but real life, are very poor ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2026, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1415 "2026-04-13T18:19:17Z")
Babale: > Yes, you’re on Neville Chamberlain’s side, along with the majority of English and German people, on the side of peace, while warmongers like Hitler and Churchill ([The Chief Villain of World War II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darryl_Cooper)) are on the side of war. Chronos: > You might be misremembering history. Chamberlain was the one who was fine with Germany making war. Babale again: > He was the one who was fine with Germany doing anything they wanted as long as England didn’t have to get directly involved in the fighting, because he thought the most important thing was to not have war. “Peace in our time” and all that. > > Sort of like the people who oppose Israel’s actions in Gaza or Lebanon are fine with whatever Hezbollah or Hamas do, as long as Israel isn’t going to war. AUUUGHH! You guys can find _one_ thing to agree on, and you’re both completely wrong! You have finally inspired me to spend the morning writing an OP I can bump whenever Chamberlain’s memory is maligned, rather than trying to fight the ignorance on a thread-by-thread basis. > [@Neville Chamberlain: Misunderstood Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neville-chamberlain-misunderstood-hero/1029248): > > Everything you probably think you know about Chamberlain – that he was a gullible fool who was easily manipulated by Hitler – is absolutely wrong. This post is based on the work of Dr. Gerhard Weinberg, an award-winning historian at the University of North Carolina and author of The Foreign Policy of Hitler’s Germany and a 1000-page popular history of the war, The World at Arms. When Chamberlain and Hitler met at Munich, both men knew very well that war was inevitable – and both knew that the … ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2026, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1416 "2026-04-13T18:22:11Z")
The Vietnam War seems like a good example. It ended because US public opinion turned against it. Obviously none of the politicians and generals who had been promoting the war explicitly admitted that it had been a bad idea from the start, but their actions demonstrate that they came to understand it. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2026, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1417 "2026-04-13T19:12:13Z")
> [@Charlie\_Tan](#): > > Sometimes I wonder if the fascist elements of Israel want to take over all of Lebanon. There’s cleary needed some _lebensraum_. Well their new border will be right next to _Lebanon_ That’s an unacceptable risk, and a buffer zone will need to be established. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2026, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1418 "2026-04-13T22:41:50Z")
> [@Charlie\_Tan](#): > > Sometimes I wonder if the fascist elements of Israel want to take over all of Lebanon. There’s cleary needed some _lebensraum_. There is, indeed, a faction in Israel that is in favor of establishing a [“Greater Israel”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel) that wound involve a lot or all of modern Lebanon. In the greatest extent, this would mean a goal of Israel being in control from the Nile to the Euphrates river so… not _just_ Lebanon, ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2026, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1419 "2026-04-14T09:14:45Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > this would mean a goal of Israel being in control from the Nile to the Euphrates river so… not _just_ Lebanon, Well, how about this: Judea to the Judeans (Jews), Samaria (Northern Kingdom) to the Samaritans (they’re going to have LOTS of space), Moab to the Moabites, Lebanon to the Phoenicians. I mean, if we’re using such flimsy historical justification as the Tanakh, why not go all in./s * * * I think it was P.J. O'Rourke that commented about Gulf War I that nobody would've given a rat's ass if Kuwaits main exöort were broccoli. So as long as we're dependent on fossil fuel, there's no chance of peace in the region. As for southern Lervant - there’s been war, conquests, invasions, genocide, revolutions, insurrections, and every other horror mankind has invented, for at least three thousand years. Being the intersection of three continents makes it an extremely strategic point. Hell, the main reason the Brits were willing to establish a Jewish homeland was to have a sympathetic group of people, owing a debth of gratitude, close to the Suez Canal. While fossil fuel will eventually stop being an issue, the geography will probably always condemn the region to being a flash point for conflict. Sadly, anti-semitism makes for a convenient target for extremists in the region - blaming the Jews and Israel for all that is wrong in their lives. Looking at history, if Israel were to be magically vanished tomorrow and someone else moved in, there would still be war in this very sectarian part of the world. Maybe Herzl should’ve accepted the offer of Uganda./s ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2026, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1420 "2026-04-14T19:03:15Z")
> [@Charlie\_Tan](#): > > As for southern Lervant - there’s been war, conquests, invasions, genocide, revolutions, insurrections, and every other horror mankind has invented, for at least three thousand years. At least 10,000. Almost certainly longer. The earliest settlements that could be called actual towns or small cities were about that long ago and even then they had fortifications like walls and watchtowers. It’s not just being the crossroads of three continents, it’s also because water is a scare resource so any spring or riverbank easily became contested territory. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=70) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=72)