# Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 22, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962 "2025-06-22T01:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 72
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2026, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1421 "2026-04-15T10:39:07Z")
I mean its also because conflict has been the norm most places and times in human history. The world as a whole has been uncharacteristically peaceful in the last several decades, and stability like western europe has had since WWII is a complete anomaly. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2026, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1422 "2026-04-15T10:56:28Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > The Vietnam War seems like a good example. It ended because US public opinion turned against it. Obviously none of the politicians and generals who had been promoting the war explicitly admitted that it had been a bad idea from the start, but their actions demonstrate that they came to understand it. I’d disagree on that. I mean to an extent, every war ends by at least one side deciding it can’t achieve its goals by violence (the US in Vietnam). Sometimes the losing side does that, and also renounces the concept of violence (Japan). But I can’t think of a case when a non-losing faction just spontaneously decided that violence is wrong. America dropped out of the war because a sufficient portion of the public decided that the amount of violence required to win was more than they were willing to pursue. That wasn’t really a decision that violence is categorically wrong, or that violence was a bad idea. It was many years before many Americans decided not only that war was the wrong way to achieve regime change in Vietnam, but that the Vietnamese regime didn’t really need changing. And there are still Vietnam dead-enders who believe “we could’ve won if the dang politicians hadn’t pulled us out.” I’ll admit it’s a very fine distinction but I think it’s worth making. I think it’s true that nobody with a working strategy of violence ever abandoned it after deciding that violence is wrong. It’s always about how one side decided that its cumulative cost is high enough that it just can’t continue to pay it, at least for the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2026, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1423 "2026-04-15T11:47:18Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > America dropped out of the war because a sufficient portion of the public decided that the amount of violence required to win was more than they were willing to pursue. I would agree with that only if we’re using “violence” to include US casualties. We can debate how long it would have continued if there were no Americans getting hurt. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2026, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1424 "2026-04-15T13:26:48Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > I would agree with that only if we’re using “violence” to include US casualties. We can debate how long it would have continued if there were no Americans getting hurt. Oh yeah of course. We were fine killing tons and tons of Vietnamese. That could’ve gone on forever, except in the early 70’s it started looking like US college students might be getting thrown into the meat grinder on the 6:00 news every night. Though that technically qualifies as a sort of renunciation of violence, it’s probably not categorical in the way anyone here was talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2026, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1425 "2026-04-15T16:40:21Z")
One of the most depressing things I have seen in my life is a group of Vietnamese American soldiers using horrifyingly dehumanizing language to describe Afghans and Iraqis in the early 2000s. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2026, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1426 "2026-04-15T18:14:33Z")
Humans are humans. Trauma doesn’t make a saint of anyone, in fact it tends to do the opposite. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2026, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1427 "2026-04-15T19:42:04Z")
At first I read that as Vietnam vets and I was like, that tracks. Vietnamese slurs are one of the top 5 slurs I’ve actually heard used as a slur by real people against real people. The other way tracks as well, unfortunately. The word that I am guessing was used is also in the top 5 actual slurs I’ve heard. (As opposed to people using slurs in fiction or in an attempt to “reclaim” words that I sometimes have heard quite often used unironically but other times have not.) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2026, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1428 "2026-04-17T14:54:57Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I think it’s true that nobody with a working strategy of violence ever abandoned it after deciding that violence is wrong. Legend has it that the ancient Indian emperor Ashoka repudiated violent conquest due to conversion to Buddhism, after his brutally violent, but successful, conquest of the Kalinga region. All historical information about Ashoka is pretty murky so take it with a grain of salt, but it **might** count as an example of a leader “with a working strategy of violence” who did abandon violence on ethical grounds. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2026, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1429 "2026-04-17T21:45:47Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Legend has it that the ancient Indian emperor Ashoka repudiated violent conquest due to conversion to Buddhism, after his brutally violent, but successful, conquest of the Kalinga region. How does that square with his post-conversion pogrom on the Jains according to those same legends? In fact, the legendarium mentions plenty of ongoing violence enacted by Ashoka after he became Buddhist - often _in service to spreading Buddhism_. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2026, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1430 "2026-04-19T23:15:06Z")
How’s it going, warmongers? @Wesley_Clark? @Babale? Ready to admit how incredibly dumb it was to have any confidence that this administration was at all competent in starting and waging war? Ready to admit that this stupid war has made Iran more powerful and more influential, as well as in receipt of more international sympathy, than before? Or are you still too stupid, or too cowardly, to admit it? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2026, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1431 "2026-04-20T14:41:56Z")
I’m sure this war will be successfully concluded in (checks watch) two weeks. And the mark of success will be that the Strait of Hormuz will be open. That was the whole point of this war, right? Or was it to get some additional living space for Israel? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2026, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1432 "2026-04-20T14:47:17Z")
I think the point was for more living space for Israel, yes, but also to do the bidding of the murderous MBS and weaken Saudi Arabia’s enemies. Finally, to weaken the US according to Putin’s wishes. I think all three objectives were somewhat achieved, although Iran is probably not weakened to MBS’s satisfaction, so maybe he’ll pull some money from Jared Kushner’s funds. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2026, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1433 "2026-04-20T16:02:37Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Or was it to get some additional living space for Israel? You can say _Lebensraum_, the genocidal fucks have earned it. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2026, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1434 "2026-04-20T16:40:27Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Finally, to weaken the US according to Putin’s wishes. Although i think the primary beneficiary of that is China, not Russia. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2026, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1435 "2026-04-20T17:39:00Z")
On the other hand, Iran has shown Taiwan the way to resist a much stronger military power. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2026, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1436 "2026-04-20T17:40:23Z")
Situations are too different. The U.S. has no interest in occupying and annexing Iran, in fact it’s downright allergic to sending ground troops (or it should be). Whereas China wants exactly that. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2026, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1437 "2026-04-20T18:11:08Z")
This is a good point. I withdraw my comment. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2026, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1438 "2026-04-20T20:42:10Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Although i think the primary beneficiary of that is China, not Russia. It’s been _nothing_ but Winning for China since 20 January 2025. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2026, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1439 "2026-04-21T03:22:55Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Ready to admit that this stupid war has made Iran more powerful and more influential, as well as in receipt of more international sympathy, than before? …the thing is, I think Isreal got what they wanted here. The idea that a “decapitation strike” was going to topple the Iranian regime was always a dubious one. If it had happened, it would have been a nice bonus. But from a strategic point of view, I think the goal here was always Southern Lebanon. [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-publishes-map-south-lebanon-territory-under-its-control-2026-04-19/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-publishes-map-south-lebanon-territory-under-its-control-2026-04-19/) [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-entrenches-hold-south-lebanon-warns-residents-stay-out-2026-04-20/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-entrenches-hold-south-lebanon-warns-residents-stay-out-2026-04-20/) “Buffer zones” is the Orwellian term for occupation, annexation and ethnic cleansing. America has played the role of “useful idiot” to help with Isreal’s expansion of its “Gaza plan” to its neighbours. The fact that now oil for much of the world is more difficult to access and will cost a lot more won’t bother Netenahyu’s regime. And it won’t bother the warmongers much either. They will never admit to anything because this is exactly what they want. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2026, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1440 "2026-04-21T04:00:06Z")
Israel has probably also degraded Iran’s ability to bomb Israel. America is a huge loser in this war, but i don’t think Israel is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=71) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962.md?page=73)