# Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 22, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962 "2025-06-22T01:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 78
**Author:** ![keeganst94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a6a055/32.png) [@keeganst94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keeganst94)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1541 "2026-06-18T02:51:57Z")
I know you’re joking, but also literally Hawai’i. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1542 "2026-06-18T03:19:07Z")
@Wesley_Clark will want ONE MORE TIME. Name it! If you can’t, one point to the folks cheering on this unnecessary and extremely stupid war the US has solidly lost. That will cost us $300B on top of all the capital and human cost we’ve already sunk into it. Also, remember when Obama did far worse? Just kidding! ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1543 "2026-06-18T06:54:11Z")
> [@keeganst94](#): > > Like half of central America and the Caribbean? It’s quicker to list the continents where we didn’t. Antarctica. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1544 "2026-06-18T08:47:18Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I’m fine with the US and Israel wearing down the IRGC and militia’s numbers and power, and destroying their weapons. Are you fine with Iran’s government being massively strengthened and enriched, as it was in this war? ---
**Author:** ![keeganst94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a6a055/32.png) [@keeganst94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keeganst94)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1545 "2026-06-18T11:04:38Z")
Was there one in Oceania ever? Maybe one of the archipelagos? I’m not that familiar with their history. Edit: never mind, apparently Hawaii is considered a part of Oceania. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1546 "2026-06-18T11:48:57Z")
We interfered in elections in Australia, there’s a very long history with the Philippines, we helped overthrow Sukarno in Indonesia, and I’m sure there’s more. > **[United States involvement in regime change](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change)** > > Since the 19th century, the United States government has participated and interfered, both overtly and covertly, in the replacement of many foreign governments. In the latter half of the 19th century, the U.S. government initiated actions for regime change mainly in Latin America and the southwest Pacific, including the Spanish–American and Philippine–American wars. At the onset of the 20th century, the United States shaped or installed governments in many countries around the world, including... ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1547 "2026-06-18T12:51:12Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > > > I’m fine with the US and Israel wearing down the IRGC and militia’s numbers and power, and destroying their weapons. > > Are you fine with Iran’s government being massively strengthened and enriched, as it was in this war? This. Warmongering tends to focus on very aspirational notions of the war we’d **like** to be fighting, rather than the realities of the war we actually **are** fighting. In the real-life war we actually **are** fighting, it’s US munitions stocks that are being dangerously depleted, more thsn Iran’s. ---
**Author:** ![WalterBishop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/aeb1de/32.png) [@WalterBishop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WalterBishop)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1548 "2026-06-18T13:54:40Z")
Has anyone read the terms of Trump’s deal with Iran? I’m not an expert, and my analysis doesn’t go any deeper than “_It was a terrible idea_” but it seems like the most embarrassing capitulation imaginable. $300 billion in reparations? In exchange for what? A promise not to pursue nuclear weapons that isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on? > **[What's in the deal between the US and Iran?](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgmqzr6p9mo)** > > The 14-paragraph memo includes an end to fighting, an agreement that Iran will never have a nuclear weapon, and a $300bn redevelopment package for Iran. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1549 "2026-06-18T14:02:28Z")
> [@WalterBishop](#): > > In exchange for what? …America killed over a hundred schoolgirls in a single attack. They helped kill nearly the entire Iranian leadership. Imagine if Iran killed most of Congress, the President and the Pope for good measure. If Iran did that, then they _lost the war_; I wouldn’t object to reparations. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1550 "2026-06-18T14:35:23Z")
> [@WalterBishop](#): > > $300 billion in reparations? In exchange for what? My guess is: In exchange for the prospect of restoring unrestricted traffic in the Strait of Hormuz in time for Americans to experience significantly reduced summer-travel gas prices. The Iranians would be fools not to milk that situation for all it’s worth, and the Iranians are evidently very far from being fools. (Although, tbf, it doesn’t take much to look clever next to Trump and his clown gang.) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1551 "2026-06-18T17:09:36Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I’m happy to discuss my views on the war elsewhere. Anyone notice that @Babale is, in fact, not discussing the war elsewhere? I wonder if maybe he’s embarrassed by his own incredible stupidity? In fact, after a bit of searching, Babs hasn’t talked at all about the war since May 1st. What gives, Babs? Why are you holding back on us? ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1552 "2026-06-18T18:52:01Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > We interfered in elections in Australia, there’s a very long history with the Philippines, we helped overthrow Sukarno in Indonesia, and I’m sure there’s more. I mean, not to put too fine a point on it, but screwing around with the domestic politics of smaller countries that could barely defend themselves kind of became our hobby after WWII. CIA interventions in third world countries during the Cold War are well documented. And it was true even before WWII in Central and South America to a lesser extent. It was usually done in order to “protect American interests” or to “prevent the spread of communism.” ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1553 "2026-06-18T19:03:56Z")
There are two ~~novels~~ people that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: One is Samuel Langhorne Clemens the other is Smedley Darlington Butler. Reading whatever book it was (probably _Inside the Company: CIA Diary_ by Philip Agee (1975)) about the Church Committee hearings didn’t hurt either. ---
**Author:** ![keeganst94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a6a055/32.png) [@keeganst94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keeganst94)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1554 "2026-06-18T20:51:00Z")
While I generally agree, I think US interference stayed constant or even decreased after WWII. Or at least, got a whole lot more subtle. Remember, the US basically destroyed every first nation it encountered, then around 1890 or so, as westward expansion slowed, it developped puppet governments or direct military control of Hawaii, Guam, Puerto Rico, Cuba, the Philippines, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, and Honduras for 40 or so years. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1555 "2026-06-18T20:59:05Z")
Before WWII it was the Marines, after WWII it was, mostly, the CIA. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1556 "2026-06-19T02:50:27Z")
I suspect the 300 billion fund was the primary endgame all along, and the reason that Kushner and Witkoff were doing the “negotiations”. It’s not going to be an outright gift to Iran, they are essentially opening up Iran for investment, a new feeding ground for the money-sucking vampires that surround Trump, big opportunities for them to get rich fixing what we just broke while getting a big cut of their natural resources. Trump and the team cared nothing about nuclear enrichment percentages or missile programs or Islamic ideology- that was just the script they used as a cover. From the beginning, it was about running the same protection racket they ran in Venezuela- come in, break a lot of stuff to show them you mean business, kill leaders until you find someone that’s willing to play ball, then demand a cut of their resources for you and your billionaire cronies. We didn’t elect a president, we elected a mob boss and gave him the world’s largest standing army and some nukes. ---
**Author:** ![SailorHG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@SailorHG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SailorHG)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1557 "2026-06-19T10:57:10Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Imagine if Iran killed most of Congress, the President If this happened, many of us would take a week to stop smiling. We’d have to add a new holiday to the calendar to commemorate the event for years to come! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1558 "2026-06-19T11:27:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Anyone notice that @Babale is, in fact, not discussing the war elsewhere? I wonder if maybe he’s embarrassed by his own incredible stupidity? > > In fact, after a bit of searching, Babs hasn’t talked at all about the war since May 1st. What gives, Babs? Why are you holding back on us? Looks like this might have struck a nerve – just a few hours after this post, for the first time since May 1st, Babs actually talked about the war here (sort of, anyway): > [@What are the details on the $300,000,000,000 to Iran?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-details-on-the-300-000-000-000-to-iran/1031002/19): > > Yes, this. The purpose of the “deal” on Iran’s side is to buy time and on Trump’s side it is to manufacture headlines to fuck with the markets. The actual contents of the “agreement” are meaningless to both negotiators. So… Babs, were you right or wrong to support this war? Maybe we were right after all, and this massive failure and Iranian victory was very, very predictable? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1559 "2026-06-19T12:06:56Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > name one time in American history when the US has overthrown a government and installed a puppet regime that was friendly to US corporate interests. This has to be a joke post, right? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1560 "2026-06-19T12:12:42Z")
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