# Fuck Castro and His Apologists- Enemies of Freedom **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 11, 2003, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116 "2003-04-11T20:55:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Daoloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/82dd89/32.png) [@Daoloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daoloth)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/1 "2003-04-11T20:55:33Z")
Fuck Castro, and fuck his insipid apologists. He is not worthy of the merit that a handful the American left errantly ascribes to him. He is a murderer, a despot, a dictator, and utterly tyrannical. He manages the police state off the shores of the US. People assert correctly that he has increased healthcare, and raised Cuba’s literacy rate notably. But at what price is this? This price is the blood of thousands, and the freedom of thousands more. This is within a society that has a secret police, a society where torture is routine, where people are not allowed to protest or manage their own businesses, nor speak out against the government. This is a dictatorship, and those who act as apologists for it are deplorable. The image of Castro as fatherly and benevolent is horribly idiotic. Those who attempt to whitewash his numerous injustices and crimes against humanity are worthy of complete contempt. Within the first five months alone after the Revolution, an estimated minimum of 550 persons was executed without trial, including some women and even children. Thousands ended up in a Latin American gulag. The ultimate number of murders committed by Castro’s regime is somewhere between 5,000 and 12,000 persons. In a nation of ten million, this is extremely tragic. And now, 75 dissidents, whose greatest ‘crimes’ are speaking for what they believe, are going to be rotting in Castro’s squalid dungeons, some as long as 27 hellish years. So here is a hearty “FUCK YOU” to all those who praise this beast. Here’s a “fuck you” to all the American intellectuals and entertainers who have journeyed to Cuba to meet this bastardization of a man. Here’s a “fuck you” to that minority of American leftists who cherish his murderous actions. Further resources: [http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat6.htm#Cuba59](http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat6.htm#Cuba59) [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1893554198/qid=1050094403/sr=1-1/ref=sr\_1\_1/103-7081894-7238243?v=glance&s=books](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1893554198/qid=1050094403/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-7081894-7238243?v=glance&s=books) [http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/100/oped/A\_wave\_of\_repression\_in\_Cuba+.shtml](http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/100/oped/A_wave_of_repression_in_Cuba+.shtml) [http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/5606972.htm](http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/5606972.htm) ---
**Author:** ![RobbieFal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c5a1d2/32.png) [@RobbieFal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobbieFal)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/2 "2003-04-11T21:12:22Z")
Castro had some good timing. To do this under the radar. I’m sure his time is coming. Is there any ways to put up clandestine radio stations or something like that and make it heard in Cuba? ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/3 "2003-04-11T21:56:58Z")
Castro’s nature has not changed but he was being kept in check somewhat by external pressure. The invasion of Iraq has created the circumstances which have given him the opportunity to do what he wanted to do as the attention of the world is elsewhere and the countries which were keeping him in check now have other fish to fry. This was a foreseeable consequence. Yup, the guy’s a murderous dictator. And, yup, the USA just created the conditions for him to act. And, yup, it’s not only Cuba, the new state of international tensions will have many negative effects in other places as well. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/4 "2003-04-11T22:25:08Z")
The man turns 76 this year, he won’t be around forever. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/5 "2003-04-11T22:27:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RobbieFal \* > \*\*Castro had some good timing. To do this under the radar. > > I’m sure his time is coming. Is there any ways to put up clandestine radio stations or something like that and make it heard in Cuba? \*\* The US does this, but Cuba jams the transmissions. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/6 "2003-04-11T22:58:29Z")
I will note that the hijacking of the ship was a terrorist act by any definition of the word just as the US would consider the hijacking of ships or airplanes. The accused were tried by a court of law which sentenced some of them to death. The sentences were reviewed by a court of appeals which found them according to law. In other words, Cuba has done nothing which the USA would not do. We may not like their regime (I certainly don’t) but they are applying the same principles. I cannot see how they can be criticised strictly for the present case. ---
**Author:** ![Daoloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/82dd89/32.png) [@Daoloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daoloth)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/7 "2003-04-11T23:00:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by sailor \* > \*\* I cannot see how they can be criticised strictly for the present case. \*\* Agreed. It was mysteriously hasty, but I didn’t include it in my rant for the reason that the people executed _were_ would be murderers and terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Ankh\_Too](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Ankh\_Too](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ankh_Too)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/8 "2003-04-11T23:32:51Z")
But they were trying to come HERE… That’s … that’s different, right? I mean, it’s not as if they were really doing anything illegal or wrong. They were just trying to get to the United States, Land of Liberty [sup]TM[/sup] by any way they could. Who could blame them? Jeeze, don’t you guys know anything? Upon futher re-reading, what I thought to be something that simply dripped sarcasm in fact reads like a something I might see on a FoxNews editorial. Truly we are a diminshed generation. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/9 "2003-04-12T00:16:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jeff Olsen \* > \*\*The man turns 76 this year, he won’t be around forever. \*\* They’ve been saying that since, what, Eisenhower? ---
**Author:** ![RobbieFal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c5a1d2/32.png) [@RobbieFal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobbieFal)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/10 "2003-04-12T00:20:03Z")
Castro’s been 76 since 1959? 😉 j/k ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/11 "2003-04-12T00:22:33Z")
Once the exploding cigars don’t get you, nothing will. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/12 "2003-04-12T00:29:30Z")
What’s kind of humorous is that the people in the USA who say the death penalty appeals take too long are the same ones saying in Cuba they’re too hasty. They should be fans of Castro. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/13 "2003-04-12T00:32:47Z")
I think i should go drive on Castro street here tonight just to tick off the OP even more… ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/14 "2003-04-12T01:19:43Z")
The Governor’s observation: When Fidel dies, he will be replaced, for a brief period of time, by his brother, Raul. After that, chaos occurs, as it appears (to my eyes at least) that Fidel has, in his cult of personality, failed to set up any sucessors. There will be civil war, but for how long, I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![RobbieFal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c5a1d2/32.png) [@RobbieFal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobbieFal)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/15 "2003-04-12T01:30:00Z")
Fidel doesn’t happen to have any living sons, does he? Cuba is the perfect location for a communist state. It’s hard to penetrate for people spying. It can be isolated from capitalists also. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/16 "2003-04-12T04:26:39Z")
Eh, we’ve supported far worse than Castro. (Pinochet and Somoza ring a bell?) Yeah, Castro’s nuts, no doubt about it. But sadly, the main reason the US government hated him so long is because they were in a snit over Castro nationalizing the sugar industry. ---
**Author:** ![Daoloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/82dd89/32.png) [@Daoloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daoloth)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/17 "2003-04-12T04:47:49Z")
Erm, by “sugar industry,” do you mean perhaps “USSR?” ---
**Author:** ![syncrolecyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@syncrolecyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/syncrolecyne)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/18 "2003-04-12T04:54:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by sailor \* > \*\*I will note that the hijacking of the ship was a terrorist act by any definition of the word just as the US would consider the hijacking of ships or airplanes. The accused were tried by a court of law which sentenced some of them to death. The sentences were reviewed by a court of appeals which found them according to law. > > In other words, Cuba has done nothing which the USA would not do. We may not like their regime (I certainly don’t) but they are applying the same principles. I cannot see how they can be criticised strictly for the present case. \*\* Yes, I am sure the hijackers got competent attourneys and had seven or eight years to exhaust all appeals…oh wait they had a couple of days…and did these hijackers murder anyone? No they didn’t. I think their real crime was living in a country that doesn’t allow people out very freely. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/19 "2003-04-12T04:58:13Z")
No, I mean the sugar industry. He nationalized it, that pissed us off. He then accepted the USSR’s help. We snubbed Castro before he became an ally of the Soviets, not after. ---
**Author:** ![Daoloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/82dd89/32.png) [@Daoloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daoloth)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116/20 "2003-04-12T05:01:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*No, I mean the sugar industry. He nationalized it, that pissed us off. He then accepted the USSR’s help. We snubbed Castro before he became an ally of the Soviets, not after. \*\* I’d be pretty pissed too; they weren’t weren’t Cuban companies in the first place. When all of sudden, during the height of the Cold War, you have a self proclaimed Marxist autocrat nationalizing foreign industries in investments, you know it’s not good. Certainly, the greatest of difficulty was derived from the stationing of the Soviet missiles. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-castro-and-his-apologists-enemies-of-freedom/168116.md?page=2)