# Fuck CIA! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2005, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369 "2005-10-28T20:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/41 "2005-10-29T02:52:32Z")
> [@danceswithcats](#): > > Such a facile denial, **Johnny**. How do we know that you’re not Valerie Plame in disguise? Now, now, this is not the time to play the Plame game. ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/42 "2005-10-29T02:55:00Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Now, now, this is not the time to play the Plame game. That post should be indicted for a terrible pun. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/43 "2005-10-29T03:00:15Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Now, now, this is not the time to play the Plame game. I so want to make a comment involving Plame and Brownie, but I can’t find the quotes from Brown’s congressional grilling. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/44 "2005-10-29T03:03:54Z")
> [@danceswithcats](#): > > That post should be indicted for a terrible pun. 😛 Or as **elucidator** would say: “Drag her out and shoot her. I’ll swear out the warrant later.” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/45 "2005-10-29T03:15:46Z")
> [@danceswithcats](#): > > Such a facile denial, **Johnny**. How do we know that you’re not Valerie Plame in disguise? How do you know I’m _not_ not Valerie Plame in disguise? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/46 "2005-10-29T03:33:22Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > How do you know I’m _not_ not Valerie Plame in disguise? :dubious: How do _you_ know you’re not Valerie Plame in disguise? They might have done that mind chip thing to you. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/47 "2005-10-29T03:35:21Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > How do you know I’m _not_ not Valerie Plame in disguise? :dubious: Saw your lovelorn posts in **MPSIMS** ; you are clearly not married to Joe Wilson. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/48 "2005-10-29T04:05:07Z")
> [@](#): > > Why shouldn’t I know if my neighbor works for CIA? You could try spying on him, but then he might start wondering if you’re working for the CIA. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/49 "2005-10-29T04:10:30Z")
> [@](#): > > Before anyone brings it up: I do not work for the CIA. That’ll put Frankie Burbank’s and Tommy Anaheim’s minds at ease. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/50 "2005-10-29T04:29:52Z")
Is the **Fuck CIA** connected to the **Sex Police**? ---
**Author:** ![fushj00mang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d26b3c/32.png) [@fushj00mang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fushj00mang)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/51 "2005-10-29T04:40:29Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > Witnessing all the outpouring of love and protectiveness toward much adored CIA, gushing forth unstoppable for weeks and months on this board, I feel compelled to strike a counter-stance and rub the truth deep into CIA lackeys revolting mugs. I am glad that you feel that your coffee containers aren’t revolting. And please, rub away at the stains in the CIA’s coffee containers. > [@](#): > > Why should CIA agent identities be secret? Because a field officer in the CIA will…um…uh…die if they’re found out and don’t have a diplomatic cover? Because in some places, everyone around said agent will die as well? > [@](#): > > Why shouldn’t I know if my neighbor works for CIA? It’s a secret. Whether it’s a James Bond-esque superagent or the analyst who just happens to read Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Hindi, and Russian, officers of intel (regardless if its CIA, DIA, FBI, or whatnot) are usually under orders to be a bit vague. I had a cousin who was a technical agent for the NSA (through the USAF.) Said he was in sat-coms. He was, but he never quite said he was intel until years after he retired and the chains came off his pension. > [@](#): > > What country is this, US or USSR? Obviously, it’s the USA. If it was Soviet Russia, the 1st Directorate would have already kicked in your door and sent you to Siberia. > [@](#): > > Now, the biggest outrage: > > Above all disgusting perversions of everything sane and honest, to extol CIA for dispelling myths about Iraq state of disarmament?! > > This is the same CIA that subverted and infiltrated weapons inspections teams, slipping the obtained intelligence (mostly useless) to Clinton to identify targets for “Operation Desert Fox” bombing campaign in 1998, giving Saddam the legitimate reason to expel weapons inspectors for 3 years! Without CIA interference, inspections might have ended during Clinton time! > > Now, suddenly, CIA is the darling of liberals and purveyor of truth?! Well by your own admission the inspections did end during Clinton’s tenure. Just because it was through expulsion doesn’t mean that they didn’t end. Oh yea, and another thing. The CIA did not ‘subvert and infiltrate’ the UN teams. They were the designated representatives of the USA and held the proper credentials. If President Clinton wanted to send Field Officer Bob and Technical Officer Larry of the CIA, that is as good as if he sent Dr. Edgar and Dr. Andrew of the DoE, and as good (but much more effective) if he chose to send Mr. Grey and Mr. Black of the Columbia Metro RTA. The President made the call, the CIA followed his orders. I hope you get visited by the quiet men in dark masks and get a free ride in their black van. ---
**Author:** ![Electronic\_Chaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Electronic\_Chaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Electronic_Chaos)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/52 "2005-10-29T05:12:57Z")
I would just like to state, that as a covert operative for MI5, I am ineligible to work for the CIA. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/53 "2005-10-29T06:59:31Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > Cite? [Here](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743247728/104-7594557-4535113?v=glance&n=283155&v=glance). Yes, you’ll have to buy the book. It’s a good book, with lots of interesting info. Quiet cheap, too. Or you can use snippets like **ElvisL1ves**. But even if you don’t aspire to know more the **Elvis** does, at least the fact is confirmed: CIA was messing with UN weapons inspections teams in Iraq, undermining the whole inspection process. Who can be held responsible for that? Valerie Plame? EddyTeddyFreddy? Ridiculous, you say? How do you know? And if not one of them, then who? Just think. When President, Congressmen or any of their aides screw up, we know who to blame. There will be investigations and indictments. But when the Agency screws up, there is no responsibility and no punishment. And if some people know what happened, they can’t talk for fear of hefty jail sentence! ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/54 "2005-10-29T09:33:26Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > Why should CIA agent identities be secret? Cause thats how it works , if it aint broke , why fix it. > [@](#): > > Why shouldn’t I know if my neighbor works for CIA? Only a problem , if you live on arlington road > [@](#): > > What country is this, US or USSR? USA > [@](#): > > Above all disgusting perversions of everything sane and honest, to extol CIA for dispelling myths about Iraq state of disarmament?! Cause now they are adding a bit of respectibility to what were concidered opinions at the time, if they claimed they had photos of Iraqi nukes just waiting to be shipped to AL Q francises ,then these same people would decry the CIA as imperialist jackbooted thugs who fornicate with goats. > [@](#): > > This is the same CIA that subverted and infiltrated weapons inspections teams, slipping the obtained intelligence (mostly useless) to Clinton to identify targets for “Operation Desert Fox” bombing campaign in 1998, giving Saddam the legitimate reason to expel weapons inspectors for 3 years! Without CIA interference, inspections might have ended during Clinton time! This is actually the kinder gentler CIA , you would probably blanche at some of the open source account of the former jedburghs , when they ran the agency in its nacent beginnings, let alone what ever may have really occured. > [@](#): > > Now, suddenly, CIA is the darling of liberals and purveyor of truth?! Yeah and the NSA is pissed that they get all the PR bennies. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/55 "2005-10-29T14:31:55Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > Why should CIA agent identities be secret? > > Why shouldn’t I know if my neighbor works for CIA? > > What country is this, US or USSR? Don’t ask, don’t tell. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/56 "2005-10-29T17:23:06Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > Who can be held responsible for that? Valerie Plame? EddyTeddyFreddy? I respectfully refuse to answer that question on the grounds that my answer might tend to incinerate me. ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/57 "2005-10-29T21:56:02Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > giving Saddam the legitimate reason to expel weapons inspectors for 3 years! Without CIA interference, inspections might have ended during Clinton time! [Nitpick] The weapons inspectors were not expelled or kicked out. They left voluntarily. The Iraqi’s were being uncooperative, but they never told them to leave. [/Nitpick] ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/58 "2005-10-29T22:21:28Z")
Shit, **Isky** , I was trying to help you out a little by showing that at least one thing you’ve said isn’t totally batshit. You’re on your own in the future, schmuck. ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/59 "2005-10-29T23:16:33Z")
And the google ad for today is :- > [@](#): > > [Become a CIA Agent](http://www.criminaljustice-degrees.com/index.cfm?key=go_03c_13r) > Start a career in the CIA with an online Criminal Justice degree. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/60 "2005-10-30T03:05:10Z")
Perhaps I spoke in haste. Perhaps CIA is indispensable for normal function of our State. A necessary evil we can’t live without. Kind of like my own spleen or somesuch. Perhaps even subversion of UN weapons inspections by Clinton CIA was for the greater benefit of US. My profound apologies to all the resident spooks. In particular, I’d like to personally apologize to Valerie. Yes, Valerie, I know you might be reading this. I just want to say that I still hold you in the highest regard and you can always rely on my most sincere admiration. I worship you! Also, give my most profound admiration to Joseph. You got the right man, baby! The man who can take on the whole White House and come out a winner! You made the right choice (although I still wish you made a mistake choosing between him and the other unworthy one). In conclusion, I’d like to say a few heated words to CIA-protecting liberal scumbags. CIA might have its uses, but what is the use of you all? True liberals play important role, as long as they advocate true Liberal Principles. Among those principles were always the ideals of democratic, open society without any secret police. It may be just a dream, but a dream worse pursuing. Once you abandon those sacred Principles, you become useless garbage. No, you become much worse. You become like Russian Marxists, suddenly learning to love secret police, once they came to power in 1917. As a result, they created the most repressive police state in history! All you CIA-defending liberal scumbags better crawl back to that history refuse dump you slithered out from. Leave the management of necessary evil to serious people, like Plame, Wilson and Liddy. They know what they are doing. You, on another hand, have no idea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369.md?page=4)