# Fuck CIA! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2005, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369 "2005-10-28T20:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![furlibusea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@furlibusea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furlibusea)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/61 "2005-10-30T03:25:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*originally posted by \ ***New Iksander** > All you CIA-defending liberal scumbags better crawl back to that history refuse dump you slithered out from. Leave the management of necessary evil to serious people, like Plame, Wilson and Liddy. They know what they are doing. You, on another hand, have no idea. I am confused. Can anyone parse what the hell he is talking about. I remember sentances like this when all my friends were doing LSD and I was sober. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/62 "2005-10-30T03:36:43Z")
> [@furlibusea](#): > > I am confused. Can anyone parse what the hell he is talking about. His can of peas has “Gordon’s” on the label instead of “Libby Libby Libby”. Besides which, it’s a bottle, and it’s half full. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/63 "2005-10-30T03:39:12Z")
> [@furlibusea](#): > > I am confused. Can anyone parse what the hell he is talking about. I remember sentances like this when all my friends were doing LSD and I was sober. The trick to reading his posts is to not read them as prose, instead read them as a sort of free-form poetry with malice. At least that works for me. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/64 "2005-10-30T03:42:53Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > The trick to reading his posts is to not read them as prose, instead read them as a sort of free-form poetry with malice. At least that works for me. I prefer to imagine them spoken by Daffy Duck. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/65 "2005-10-30T03:57:43Z")
I see that last New Iskander post… So that is how a meltdown look like! Listen you piece of irradiated poop: I have more issues with the CIA since they very likely helped the right wing dictatorships in Central America, however I learned that they in the end do follow orders, it was the rulers like Nixon, Reagan, and Bush that used the CIA for evil. The current ruler is so evil that even the CIA is reeling in disgust. They are not entirely innocent since lately it seems torture managed to get one important bit of evidence that caused the war: [http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050214fa\_fact6](http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050214fa_fact6) > [@](#): > > To Cloonan’s dismay, the C.I.A. reportedly rendered Libi to Egypt. He was seen boarding a plane in Afghanistan, restrained by handcuffs and ankle cuffs, his mouth covered by duct tape. Cloonan, who retired from the F.B.I. in 2002, said, “At least we got information in ways that wouldn’t shock the conscience of the court. And no one will have to seek revenge for what I did.” He added, “We need to show the world that we can lead, and not just by military might.” > > After Libi was taken to Egypt, the F.B.I. lost track of him. Yet he evidently played a crucial background role in Secretary of State Colin Powell’s momentous address to the United Nations Security Council in February, 2003, which argued the case for a preëmptive war against Iraq. In his speech, Powell did not refer to Libi by name, but he announced to the world that “a senior terrorist operative” who “was responsible for one of Al Qaeda’s training camps in Afghanistan” had told U.S. authorities that Saddam Hussein had offered to train two Al Qaeda operatives in the use of “chemical or biological weapons.” > > Last summer, Newsweek reported that Libi, who was eventually transferred from Egypt to Guantánamo Bay, was the source of the incendiary charge cited by Powell, and that he had recanted. By then, the first anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq had passed and the 9/11 Commission had declared that there was no known evidence of a working relationship between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Dan Coleman was disgusted when he heard about Libi’s false confession. “It was ridiculous for interrogators to think Libi would have known anything about Iraq,” he said. “I could have told them that. He ran a training camp. He wouldn’t have had anything to do with Iraq. Administration officials were always pushing us to come up with links, but there weren’t any. The reason they got bad information is that they beat it out of him. You never get good information from someone that way.” Having said that, the CIA is not investigating the leak you Melon Farmer with a Kumquat brain! The Justice Department is. The CIA is not defended here, rather the whole context shows that the CIA was getting evidence pro and against the case for war, what the administration did here was to purposely control what information was deemed important. For the Justice department, so far, it means that someone lied and obstructed justice on the way to control that case for war, you may think that we are supporting the CIA here, but learn this civics lesson: everyone in the USA has the right to seek justice, think for example of the ACLU fighting for the right of the KKK to speak in public: [http://www.aclufl.org/take\_action/students/case\_of\_the\_month/1999/faqs1099.cfm](http://www.aclufl.org/take_action/students/case_of_the_month/1999/faqs1099.cfm) > [@](#): > > Why does the ACLU defend free speech for Nazis, KKK members, and others who advocate racist or totalitarian doctrines? > > Because we believe that the constitutional guarantees of freedom of speech and press would be meaningless if the government could pick and choose the persons to whom they apply. The ACLU’s responsibility since its founding in1920 has been to make sure that all are free to speak, no matter what their ideas. Just because we support the CIA’s right to seek justice, does not mean we support the CIA you nincompoop. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/66 "2005-10-30T04:32:08Z")
> [@](#): > > The trick to reading his posts is to not read them as prose, instead read them as a sort of free-form poetry with malice. At least that works for me. I find it helps immensely to imagine his posts are being read aloud by William Shatner taking frequent dramatic pauses. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/67 "2005-10-30T05:11:31Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > I find it helps immensely to imagine his posts are being read aloud by William Shatner taking frequent dramatic pauses. And downing a shot at each pause. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/68 "2005-10-30T14:33:46Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > And downing a shot at each pause. And I’m gonna be… _high_… as a… kite… by then. > [@New Iskander](#): > > All you CIA-defending liberal scumbags better crawl back to that history refuse dump you slithered out from. Leave the management of necessary evil to serious people, like Plame, Wilson and Liddy. They know what they are doing. You, on another hand, have no idea. OH NO! No, no. I’m a _Rocket_ Man. A Roc-ket-Man. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/69 "2005-10-30T16:55:24Z")
A mild note: The CIA are _not_ secret police. That would be the FBI or other variants. The CIA are our _external_ espionage force. And they’re mostly recruiting mormons these days. I hope that’s changed since the late 90s. Good kids, great language skills, but it was a monoculture. ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/70 "2005-10-30T17:28:29Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > A mild note: The CIA are _not_ secret police. That would be the FBI or other variants. The CIA are our _external_ espionage force. > > And they’re mostly recruiting mormons these days. I hope that’s changed since the late 90s. Good kids, great language skills, but it was a monoculture. The internal/external distinction has blurred significantly in the last decade. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/71 "2005-10-31T06:26:38Z")
I find everything has blurred significantly since I tried EddyTeddyFreddy’s suggestion. ---
**Author:** ![LiveOnAPlane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3d9bf3/32.png) [@LiveOnAPlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LiveOnAPlane)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/72 "2005-10-31T06:54:53Z")
In the first place, none of us call it the “CIA.” It’s The Company. I mean, damn, people! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/73 "2005-10-31T06:56:29Z")
I am very weirded out by the fact that **Isky** does not find a need to place the word “the” before “CIA”. It’s minor, I know, but it makes the posts read like someone taught a monkey to use sign language and then got the monkey drunk and angry. ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/74 "2005-10-31T07:47:10Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I am very weirded out by the fact that **Isky** does not find a need to place the word “the” before “CIA”. It’s minor, I know, but it makes the posts read like someone taught a monkey to use sign language and then got the monkey drunk and angry. Wow. I had never before noticed the link between article usage and aggravated, intoxicated simians. Thank you for pointing it out. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/75 "2005-10-31T07:53:25Z")
It’s a little known fact, but hey, we’re all about fighting ignorance here. ---
**Author:** ![fushj00mang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d26b3c/32.png) [@fushj00mang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fushj00mang)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/76 "2005-10-31T09:12:33Z")
> [@LiveOnAPlane](#): > > In the first place, none of us call it the “CIA.” It’s The Company. > > I mean, damn, people! When the USAF recieves a blurb from “the Company,” they don’t call it that. They call the CIA “those motherfuckers,” “goddamn civilians,” “fucking REMF’s” and the like. After all, isn’t the CIA’s unofficial motto “We Bet Your Life On It”? ~Mang PS: I don’t work intel. I know people who do. They usually wish “The Company” would go bankrupt. ---
**Author:** ![LiveOnAPlane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3d9bf3/32.png) [@LiveOnAPlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LiveOnAPlane)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/77 "2005-10-31T15:02:53Z")
Note to self: Use the smileys more. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/78 "2005-10-31T15:23:18Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > It’s minor, I know, but it makes the posts read like someone taught a monkey to use sign language and then got the monkey drunk and angry. That has nothing to do with the use of the article. All of **Iskander’s** posts read like that. ---
**Author:** ![thursday\_next](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8797f3/32.png) [@thursday\_next](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thursday_next)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/79 "2005-10-31T15:53:22Z")
Well, the Romulans have the Tal Shiar, the Cardassians have the Obsidian Order, why shouldn’t we have a … oh wait, this isn’t a Trek thread! :smack: This > [@](#): > > It may be just a dream, but a dream worse pursuing. tickled me to pieces. I’m very curious, **New Iskander** , what do you think of the [National Clandestine Service](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4340318.stm), which will be under the wing of the CIA? The leader’s name won’t even be given out, he’ll just be called Jose. (My Hispanic friends are not sure if they’re offended or delighted at the name. 😉 ) Finally, remember folks, its not just _Carnivore_ you have to be wary of, there’s also _Echelon_. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369/80 "2005-10-31T16:05:34Z")
I am in partial agreement with the OP, actually. I also do not like the letter C, it seems it can easily be replaced by the letters S and K. I I am in favor of because it is the only way I know to talk about my favorite subject…I…I mean me. As for A, I’m a little fed up with the letter A, thinking that since it is the first letter it’s special. And also it is kinda lazy. Sure it works in front of most nous, A dog, a cat, a spy. But try using it in front of a word with a noun. You see where I am coming from? 'a apple? No way! Suddenly the letter A needs help. ‘an apple’. That’s almost pathetic as the eternally co-dependent letter ‘Q’. So Fuck C and A. But not I. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-cia/328369.md?page=5)