# Fuck David Letterman and all misogynistic leftists who support him on this **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287 "2009-06-10T01:51:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/761 "2009-06-17T21:26:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That since he was appointed Major Washington at the age of 20, up till the time he became President, his primary importance was as a military person, not a political operative. Indeed, his status as a prosperous landownder virtually guaranteed him some political involvement, but the case could be made that between the French and Indian Wars and the Revolution, his primary interest was his planation and other holdings. Uh huh. You do realize that Governor Dinwiddie of Virginia was working with Virginia landowners and Parliament to form the Ohio Company - to expand the colony to the Ohio River and sell the land to settlers. The Washingtons were involved in this effort from the start. A major problem was those pesky French in the way. So, how is this not political? And if we understand that it was - at least that his actions in that war were actions that he knew to have political consequences of a very immediate and close nature, then Washington was a political figure from his teenage years until his death. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/762 "2009-06-17T21:49:54Z")
You’re expanding the definition of “political” to the point where it’s meaningless. His family was involved in a land sale scheme, so that’s the same as holding elected office? Give me a break. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/763 "2009-06-17T22:09:58Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > He didn’t “use” anything. He challenged the petitions because they didn’t have enough signatures. They, in fact, did NOT have enough signatures. They, in fact, were NOT valid. There was no “machine” in play, no “petetion busting,” just the stark fact (a fact beyond Obama’s control), that no would-be opponent was able to get enough signatures to be on the ballot. Obama did not “have them stricken.” They just never met the requirements to be on it. > ? He hired (or had retained), professionals who went through petitions and invalidated enough signatures to invalidate the election application. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/764 "2009-06-17T22:17:30Z")
The signatures were, in FACT, not valid. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/765 "2009-06-17T22:21:07Z")
To quibble on definitions (pedantic sniff)… If the applilcations were, in and of themselves, invalid, then no procedure performed by the Minions of Barrack (MOB) could “invalidate” them. Bones reports, “He’s dead, Jim”, doesn’t mean he killed him. As far as Washington, if you define politics to include military service, you can take your point, but surely you realise it is not the commonly accepted definition of “politics”. Mao and Clausewitz notwithstanding. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/766 "2009-06-17T22:23:34Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > …the Minions of Barrack (MOB) … So we know there were more than nine of them, because you have to have 10 for a minion. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/767 "2009-06-17T22:24:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So we know there were more than nine of them, because you have to have 10 for a minion. Hey…procedural question. Am I allowed to sign a warrant? ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/768 "2009-06-17T22:48:16Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Hey…procedural question. Am I allowed to sign a warrant? No, but they do give you a form ta’ fill in. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/769 "2009-06-17T23:46:34Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Letterman’s latest show: Top Ten Things Overheard At The “Fire David Letterman” Rally. > > As I said they gave him his opening but this was post Palin apology and certainly qualifies as not shutting the fuck up about it. Well, if you are going to count tangential comments, Palin is also [lacking in the shut-the-fuck-up-about-it department](http://www.peninsulaclarion.com/stories/061709/new_351929026.shtml): > [@](#): > > Gov. Sarah Palin took the opportunity of a legislative bill signing in Soldotna on Tuesday to announce her selection for a new state Attorney General. Palin nominated former key State Department official Daniel S. Sullivan to head the state Department of Law. > > … > > She also cautioned the new Attorney General “public service is not easy … it’s not easy on daughters. He has three daughters,” Palin said, making obvious reference to a recent spat she had with TV personality David Letterman over comments he made about her daughter. ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/770 "2009-06-18T08:29:58Z")
Letterman’s schtick is about not letting things go. Look at his longstanding “feuds” with Oprah, Dr. Phil, Madonna… if you spar a few rounds you will reappear in his monologues, jokes, etc. many more times. The only way that this is going to work out well for Palin is if she plays along… goes to Letterman’s show, and goes back and forth. That would require some media savvy and a sense of humor. Not sure if she has either one. The truth of the matter is, the right wing is so broken right now, they need a media-competent presence that can talk to middle of the road, nonpartisan Americans and demonstrate some humanity. I’m sure it’s very seductive for Palin to bask in the attention of the extremists of the party (which seems to be all that the party has at the moment), but it would be much better for the future of the Republican Party if they actually concerned themselves with bringing more folks to their candidates. She can continue to play the outrage card (think Quayle and Murphy Brown) or use this as an opportunity to get some media attention every few months by sparring with Letterman a bit. Heck, if she pulled that off, I’d have to give her some grudging respect. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/771 "2009-06-18T10:48:26Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You’re expanding the definition of “political” to the point where it’s meaningless. His family was involved in a land sale scheme, so that’s the same as holding elected office? Give me a break. But again, Washington started holding elected office in his twenties, and he was appointed surveyor of the newly created Culpeper County as a teenager. So whether we quibble over his role in the French and Indian War, it doesn’t change the fact that your original assertion was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/772 "2009-06-18T13:39:52Z")
> [@LilShieste](#): > > Heck, just do a search for posts by **Shayna** anytime before the 2008 presidential election, and you’ll find plenty of information about this. You’ll also find a desire expressed to fellate Obama. You can change the flavor, but it’s still Kool-Ade. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/773 "2009-06-18T14:01:19Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You’ll also find a desire expressed to fellate Obama. > > You can change the flavor, but it’s still Kool-Ade. Oh for _fuck’s_ sake, you god damned cretin. No matter how fervently **Shayna** supported/supports Obama, that doesn’t change the fact that she cited the hell out of her posts. This is _ad hominem_ in its purest form. Attacking **Shayna** personally doesn’t change the information she brought to the table. Fucking _let it go_. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/774 "2009-06-18T14:31:16Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > But again, Washington started holding elected office in his twenties, and he was appointed surveyor of the newly created Culpeper County as a teenager. So whether we quibble over his role in the French and Indian War, it doesn’t change the fact that your original assertion was wrong. He held one minor elected office in his life. That was it. That was his whole political experience before he was elected Prez. I already admitted that I should have said his experience was _next_ to nothing instead of just nothing. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/775 "2009-06-18T14:54:24Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > He held one minor elected office in his life. That was it. That was his whole political experience before he was elected Prez. I already admitted that I should have said his experience was _next_ to nothing instead of just nothing. You have an interesting definition of minor. > [@](#): > > In 1759, 27-year-old George Washington took a seat in the House of Burgesses in the Capitol and helped shape the idea of self-government for the next 16 years. … For Washington the legislator, Williamsburg was a proving ground. He was an intimate of every political leader of the colony during his years as a Virginia legislator. He introduced the Nonimportation Agreement in 1769 and in 1774 was sent by his fellow lawmakers as one of Virginia’s seven delegates to the first Continental Congress. [Link](http://www.history.org/Almanack/people/bios/biowash1.cfm) Next to no political experience? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/776 "2009-06-18T15:15:29Z")
That’s correct. Next to none. He was in the equivalent of a state legislature. Big deal. So was Obama. Washington never even got out of the lower house like Obama did. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/777 "2009-06-18T15:16:29Z")
It is not at all uncommon for a laudatory biography to exaggerate the subject’s signficance even in relatively minor matters. Note that it actually mentions only one significant political action. As to Washington’s being “intimate” with “every political leader in the colony”, perhaps it is best to draw a discreet veil over such matters. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/778 "2009-06-18T15:33:08Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > That’s correct. Next to none. He was in the equivalent of a state legislature. Big deal. So was Obama. Washington never even got out of the lower house like Obama did. Choosing to rebel against the Crown - was that a political decision? Were his dealings with the Continental Congress after his appointment as commander-in-chief of the Continental Army political in nature? Many of his decisions displayed a remarkable political acumen. He was president of the Constitutional Convention and voted on the articles that were debated - so his stamp is on the Constitution in force today. Again, this would count as political experience to any reasonable person. Please just admit that you were in error and let this unproductive side argument just pass. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/779 "2009-06-18T15:38:08Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > No matter how fervently **Shayna** supported/supports Obama, that doesn’t change the fact that she cited the hell out of her posts. She made the talking points she wanted to make, regardless of the point under discussion, and responded to any questioning and any suggestion that there might be more to a situation not with reason or discussion but with constant streams of invective. She had quite a few cheerleaders and collaborators in that, as well. Such as yourself, for one example. > [@](#): > > This is _ad hominem_ in its purest form. Think about that some more, if you can force yourself. “God damned cretin”, was it? > [@](#): > > Attacking **Shayna** personally doesn’t change the information she brought to the table. You still don’t fucking get what she was doing, or why it matters, do you? Now put down the Kool-Ade.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287/780 "2009-06-18T15:38:38Z")
_ponders tossing rope to **Dio** so he can extricate himself from hole_ _gives up on idea as 3 1/2 miles of rope not easy to procure_ > [@](#): > > She made the talking points she wanted to make, regardless of the point under discussion, and responded to any questioning and any suggestion that there might be more to a situation not with reason or discussion but with constant streams of invective. Wow. You just made Baghdad Bob look objective. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-david-letterman-and-all-misogynistic-leftists-who-support-him-on-this/499287.md?page=40)