# Fuck Daylight Savings **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 11, 2012, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441 "2012-03-11T03:24:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/41 "2012-03-11T14:23:28Z")
Joining the hate. I like sunrise and sunset to be at least **approximately** symmetrical about the axis of noon, dammit. (Of course, due to time zone issues, noon by the clock is seldom if ever **exactly** true local noon, but there’s no need to go deliberately shoving it an hour further off.) ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/42 "2012-03-11T15:21:31Z")
I have always hated it and nothing has changed my mind. Leave it alone, I say. Heck, I think I’d vote for a president who promised only to deliver that. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/43 "2012-03-11T15:30:14Z")
See, I’d mostly prefer it stay DST all the time. I hate that it gets dark so early in winter. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/44 "2012-03-11T16:09:51Z")
> [@sitchensis](#): > > It is great, an extra hour of usable sunlight. Shut up. > [@Rigamarole](#): > > It’s actually Daylight _Saving_ Time, not Daylight Savings. Shut up! > [@Valerieblaise](#): > > I get so happy when it starts staying light later into the evening. It means summer’s coming and winter’s going and yay!!! SHUT UP!!! \*\*\*SHUT UP!!! * * * ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/45 "2012-03-11T16:15:28Z")
It should be DST all the time, and anyone who says otherwise must be one of those Morning People. Fuck them. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/46 "2012-03-11T16:34:17Z")
Buncha pussies. DST rocks! ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/47 "2012-03-11T16:46:49Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > It should be DST all the time, and anyone who says otherwise must be one of those Morning People. Fuck them. Not true. I’m a morning person and I love DST. I don’t like to miss a sunrise, and this makes it so much easier. Also, I don’t have to leave my porch light on all day, or fumble in the dark with my keys. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/48 "2012-03-11T17:10:42Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Actually, fuck Standard Time. You Americans are so lucky to have just three months of it. > > I don’t need sunlight at the beginning of the day, when I’m bringing the kid to school and getting ready for work. I need it at the end, when I want to go to the beach or for a walk down the boulevard. If the sun starts setting before 7 PM, I feel robbed. This. In Florida, when the days are getting shorter, there’s still a _tiny_ sliver of sunlight to enjoy at the end of the day, then BAM! Daylight saving ends and you’re plunged into sudden darkness at the workday’s end. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/49 "2012-03-11T17:14:07Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > I’ve been saying for a while now; Either pick DST or standard and stick with it. > > Stupid farmers! :mad: (Just kidding) It’s actually a product of the industrial era. Farmers don’t give a shit. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/50 "2012-03-11T17:28:33Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Joining the hate. I like sunrise and sunset to be at least **approximately** symmetrical about the axis of noon, dammit. > > (Of course, due to time zone issues, noon by the clock is seldom if ever **exactly** true local noon, but there’s no need to go deliberately shoving it an hour further off.) But this is part of the issue – the time zone lines as drawn in many countries are already kind of wonky WRT the nominal 15-degree longitude increment per hour (e.g. CST zone oughta be narrower and begin more to the East of where it does), because the people in charge cared less about if the sun is at zenith at noon than that the San Antonio office should be on the same time as the Chicago office, but for some reason the Detroit office should be on the same time as Boston. The zone lines in the US were drawn mostly for the convenience of the railroads. Still, I do agree that the expansion of DST into mid-March and early November was a bit much. However, yeah, sorry guys, given the choice I’ll take leaving in the dark in the morning and being able to step out into light at the end of the day over the alternative. As someone raised at latitude 18N, when I first spent time up North it was NOT the days of temperature below freezing, it was the days when it was dark night at 5pm that were near run-back-home soul-crushing. Down here we’re fortunate in that being below the Tropic of Cancer and just within the longitude lines for UTC-4, there’s no need to do the DST shuffle (it was legislated once; then came a change of administration and it was repealed before it could take effect - a rare triumph of good sense). DST for me just means I don’t have to stay up as late to catch US TV shows since the East Coast is now on OUR time.🆒 ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/51 "2012-03-11T17:49:35Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > See, I’d mostly prefer it stay DST all the time. I hate that it gets dark so early in winter. Ditto. It’s depressing when we swing back to standard time in the fall. I prefer the end of my day to have more light, not the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![tim-n-va](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim-n-va/32/3001_2.png) [@tim-n-va](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim-n-va)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/52 "2012-03-11T17:58:38Z")
Bad news. When I’m king of the world not only will we have the current DST shift, we’ll do another hour forward between Memorial Day and Labor Day. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/53 "2012-03-11T18:30:28Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > See, I’d mostly prefer it stay DST all the time. I hate that it gets dark so early in winter. This is all kinds of messed up, unless you happen to live somewhere nearer the equator or one of the Tropics. For those of us in more northern climes, year-round DST means a lot of really dark mornings. For me, in Iowa, you’re talking sunrise at 8:30 during the depths of winter. In northern Minnesota, they wouldn’t see the sun until after 9 am for a couple of weeks. That ain’t right! I think the expansion of DST into March and November was ridiculous. How is that supposed to save energy, which I recall was the primary purpose? You just shift the light and heat usage from the evening to the morning. I think it’s dumb. Six months of DST is adequate. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/54 "2012-03-11T19:20:41Z")
> [@Uncle\_Jocko](#): > > How is that supposed to save energy, which I recall was the primary purpose? You just shift the light and heat usage from the evening to the morning. I think it’s dumb. Amen, Brother. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/55 "2012-03-11T19:31:32Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Totally agree. In the UK, being so far north it hardly makes any difference anyway: you get up and go to school/work in the dark and you come home in the dark, DST or not. That’s sad. Of course, we experience that in the dead of winter (Wisconsin), but to experience it for long periods of time… too bad! That probably explains why, one day when I was visiting friends outside of London, the sun came out in the middle of the day and shops closed and everyone took a walk or went and sat in the park. It was so smart, but now I understand more of their need for sunlight. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/56 "2012-03-11T19:44:08Z")
> [@Uncle\_Jocko](#): > > This is all kinds of messed up, unless you happen to live somewhere nearer the equator or one of the Tropics. No, we live in the habitable portion of this planet. It’s not my fault that for some reason you chose to live in the frigid northern wastes among the snarks and grumpkins. Anyway, what do you need sunlight in the morning for? There’s this thing called an alarm clock. It wakes you up no matter how dark it is outside. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/57 "2012-03-11T20:53:20Z")
I don’t give a damn if it doesn’t get light until noon if I can have some daylight in the evening after I get home from work. I don’t even bother setting most of the clocks around the house back to standard, so today they are right again. ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Charles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Greg\_Charles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greg_Charles)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/58 "2012-03-11T21:20:54Z")
Well some farmers care. I had a friend who grew up on a farm, and the return to standard time allowed him to do his morning chores in the light before going to school. I love DST. The idea of having sunrise and sunset symmetrical around noon when they are 14 to 16 hours apart is nonsensical to me. I’d much rather have light in the evening. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/59 "2012-03-11T22:09:35Z")
> [@Greg\_Charles](#): > > Well some farmers care. I had a friend who grew up on a farm, and the return to standard time allowed him to do his morning chores in the light before going to school. So if anything, farmers are against it. ---
**Author:** ![Roland\_Orzabal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@Roland\_Orzabal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roland_Orzabal)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/60 "2012-03-11T22:11:01Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > It should be DST all the time, and anyone who says otherwise must be one of those Morning People. Fuck them. > [@saoirse](#): > > Not true. I’m a morning person and I love DST. I don’t like to miss a sunrise, and this makes it so much easier. Also, I don’t have to leave my porch light on all day, or fumble in the dark with my keys. On the other side of that same coin, I’m a night person, and I prefer Standard Time because, hey, more night. Daylight is for doing things that suck, such as waking up and working. Darkness is for doing enjoyable things, like hanging out with friends and sleeping. More dark, more fun. QED. As for the whole fucking-about-with-the-clocks business, I continue to favor the plan of Choosing What The Hell Time It Is And Sticking With It, which features the following benefits: 1. You know what the hell time it is. 2. Other people know what the hell time it is where you are. 3. You know what the hell time it is where other people are. 4. You know with certainty what the hell time it will be 24 hours from now. 5. You lose a “benefit” which roughly half the population hates, and a not-insignificant number doesn’t care about one way or the other. If I _really_ had my way, it’d get dark at about 3:00 PM, but nobody else seems to like that idea. Guess people must hate fun. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441.md?page=4)