# Fuck Daylight Savings **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 11, 2012, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441 "2012-03-11T03:24:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/141 "2012-03-17T00:33:52Z")
> [@Michael63129](#): > > I know at least one person (on another forum) who actually believed that DST increased the length of the day(light), and was also the reason why it got hotter in the summer. Not kidding. :smack::smack::smack: Well, there’s another argument for getting rid of it. It would help fight global warming. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/142 "2012-03-17T01:20:05Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > :smack::smack::smack: Well, there’s another argument for getting rid of it. It would help fight global warming. 😛 Damn right! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/143 "2012-03-17T01:27:23Z")
I started biking to work again this week - 10 miles each way. It was wonderful to have time after work to ride home in a more or less leisurely fashion, and STILL have time after getting home to play with my two-year-old out on the back porch. Summer light rules. DST forever. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/144 "2012-03-17T03:24:24Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > DST forever. Aye, DST rules. ---
**Author:** ![TelecasterLPGTop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@TelecasterLPGTop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TelecasterLPGTop)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/145 "2012-03-31T23:03:27Z")
It’s a pain in the arse this morning as I have to wait another hour for my pharmacist to open but generally, since time is merely a human invention and doesn’t really exist, I don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![TelecasterLPGTop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@TelecasterLPGTop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TelecasterLPGTop)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/146 "2012-03-31T23:05:25Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Damn right! > > 🙂 Your comment makes as much sense as the concept of global warming. It’s a scam. ---
**Author:** ![Jamicat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c67d28/32.png) [@Jamicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jamicat)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/147 "2012-03-31T23:29:21Z")
What about a Relative Clock Time? Shorter days the Clock ticks faster. Longer days the Clock ticks Slower. You have the same sunlight time the whole year. Around 6 AM - 9 PM. We’re only talking a 2 hour span over the whole year clicked at a different interval respective to the sun. It will be on time with GMT at least once a year. (As we would still have Absolute Time in GMT) (This is just meant for business and people daily scheduling, not meant for science and real time absolutes as such) It might be an interesting to drive/fly through time zones and see your “Relative Time Watch” sync relative to your distance to the zone edge. (meaning that faster you travel in a direction the clock will change as well) Just a thought. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/148 "2012-04-01T02:07:56Z")
> [@Jamicat](#): > > What about a Relative Clock Time? > > Shorter days the Clock ticks faster. > Longer days the Clock ticks Slower. It would still have to get an initial “setting.” Some people think there shouldn’t be any sunlight left at 6:30pm, while others are okay with that. Who decides what time the sun “goes down” on this hifalutin’ relative clock of yours? ---
**Author:** ![Jamicat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c67d28/32.png) [@Jamicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jamicat)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/149 "2012-04-01T03:39:21Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > It would still have to get an initial “setting.” Some people think there shouldn’t be any sunlight left at 6:30pm, while others are okay with that. Who decides what time the sun “goes down” on this hifalutin’ relative clock of yours? Of course there’s an East/West as well as a North/South factor. Since we have 24 hour days it’s only right that they are both equal at 12+12. But, actually there’s and hour of usable sun light ay dawn and dusk, so then we have a 14/10 schedule. So, I guess 7am to 9pm would do. We have the tech to work it out, not like it’s rocket scie… Anyway…It was just a thought experiment. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/150 "2012-04-01T04:09:33Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > :smack::smack::smack: Well, there’s another argument for getting rid of it. It would help fight global warming. 😛 And [fix those droughts in Australia too](http://twitter.com/#!/AWOLTom/status/185973999493316608/photo/1)!!!1! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/151 "2012-04-01T04:12:10Z")
> [@Jamicat](#): > > What about a Relative Clock Time? > > Shorter days the Clock ticks faster. > Longer days the Clock ticks Slower. > > You have the same sunlight time the whole year. […] > > Just a thought. :dubious: Congratulations! You just reinvented [seasonal hours](http://www.autodidacts.f2s.com/astro74xx/info/unequ.html)! (AKA “unequal hours”.) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/152 "2012-04-01T04:55:31Z")
> [@TelecasterLPGTop](#): > > …since time is merely a human invention and doesn’t really exist, I don’t care. Time is not a human invention. The divisions of time are, apart from “days” and “years” which are naturally occurring. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/153 "2012-04-01T05:40:18Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Time is not a human invention. The divisions of time are, apart from “days” and “years” which are naturally occurring. Well, all other units of time are naturally occurring too. I think what you meant to say was that some units of time are (approximately) demarcated by natural phenomena that affect non-human entities as well as humans. And that would include not just days and years but other time units such as seasons and months (in their original sense of synodic lunar cycles, which regulate tides). ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/154 "2012-04-01T06:09:24Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Well, all other units of time are naturally occurring too. I think what you meant to say was that some units of time are (approximately) demarcated by natural phenomena that affect non-human entities as well as humans. No, I don’t think that is what I meant. ---
**Author:** ![Jamicat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c67d28/32.png) [@Jamicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jamicat)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/155 "2012-04-01T19:23:21Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Congratulations! You just reinvented [seasonal hours](http://www.autodidacts.f2s.com/astro74xx/info/unequ.html)! (AKA “unequal hours”.) 🙂 Well gee…my wee-brain isn’t so useless after all.🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/156 "2012-04-02T00:06:23Z")
> [@Jamicat](#): > > Well gee…my wee-brain isn’t so useless after all.🆒 Yes it is. You didn’t think of the primary reason it was never adopted. You don’t get more daylight hours after work to do stuff. Instead, you get longer work-hours to fill up your longer workday, and get paid the same for them as you do for the shorter winter hours. And then you still don’t get anymore daylight at the end of the day to do stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441/157 "2012-04-02T02:26:19Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > Yes it is. You didn’t think of the primary reason it was never adopted. “Never adopted”? Seasonal hours were widely used for centuries: in fact, what killed them was precisely the requirements of mechanical clocks, which couldn’t adjust the length of their time units to the length of the daylight on a particular day, the way other timekeeping devices such as sundials could. I quite agree that the combination of artificial lighting and the decrease in the percentage of the workforce engaged in outdoor occupations means that seasonal hours don’t have a dog’s chance of being **re** -adopted any time soon, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-daylight-savings/615441.md?page=7)