# Fuck drugs and drug dealers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 15, 2019, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774 "2019-01-15T01:38:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/21 "2019-01-15T03:09:46Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > If you read the article, the child died because they were _making_ drugs in their house. > > Without speaking to what should and should not be legal, it’s reasonable to assume that this (along with meth labs exploding) would not happen if such drugs were legal and commercially manufactured. Kids still will get drugs as they are mishandled by others. Eliminating the supply and demand is the only way. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/22 "2019-01-15T03:10:31Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > It’s my thread, so fuck off. > [@UCBearcats](#): > > Who asked you fucker? One sign of withdrawal is a short temper. How long has it been? ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/23 "2019-01-15T03:12:00Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > One sign of withdrawal is a short temper. How long has it been? Actually have not ever used. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/24 "2019-01-15T03:13:31Z")
I think the death of a toddler from a fentanyl overdose, from drugs her “parents” were packaging for illicit sale, is pit-worthy. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/25 "2019-01-15T03:19:24Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I think the death of a toddler from a fentanyl overdose, from drugs her “parents” were packaging for illicit sale, is pit-worthy. Thank you. That is why it is here. Sucks that shit happens to these kids. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/26 "2019-01-15T03:20:16Z")
> [@Covfefe](#): > > Okay, we can agree to disagree somewhat on that point. I think it would happen with lower frequency. These types of tragedies owe more to the using than the making of drugs, as there are other dangerous items throughout homes. We don’t necessarily disagree, I was speaking mainly to the question of what happened in this story. Drug policy is certainly a much more complex question; OP’s link to a single horrific incident accompanied by a one-sentence sweeping generalization (which isn’t even a sound inference from this story) probably isn’t a great starting point for a reasoned debate. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/27 "2019-01-15T03:25:29Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > We don’t necessarily disagree, I was speaking mainly to the question of what happened in this story. Drug policy is certainly a much more complex question; OP’s link to a single horrific incident accompanied by a one-sentence sweeping generalization (which isn’t even a sound inference from this story) probably isn’t a great starting point for a reasoned debate. That’s why it is in the pit, not gd. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/28 "2019-01-15T03:26:17Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > [Parents charged in toddlers' overdose death on Christmas](https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/macomb/2019/01/14/parents-charged-toddlers-overdose-death-christmas/2573215002/) > > Fuck drugs, drug dealers, and every who takes illegal and potentially dangerous drugs. Wait a minute… now you care about a child who died because their parents put them in danger. > [@Is eight hours too long to go without being offered a drink of water?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-eight-hours-too-long-to-go-without-being-offered-a-drink-of-water/826130/113): > > I have plenty of empathy when it is needed. Someone who purposely endangers their child’s life through criminal actions does not deserve empathy. Because you didn’t give a shit about the child in the other thread you fucking psycho. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/29 "2019-01-15T03:29:06Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Wait a minute… now you care about a child who died because their parents put them in danger. > > Because you didn’t give a shit about the child in the other thread you fucking psycho. I didn’t care about the dad in the other thread you fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/30 "2019-01-15T03:36:37Z")
Wait. Amateurs can cook fentanyl like they did meth? Now, that is some _really_ bad news! ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/31 "2019-01-15T03:36:43Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I was speaking to the question of what happened in this story. Drug policy is certainly a much more complex question; OP’s link to a single horrific incident accompanied by a one-sentence sweeping generalization (which isn’t even a sound inference from this story) really isn’t a great starting point for a reasoned debate on policy. Meh, happens all the time in the Pit off flimsy, inflammatory OP’s. From my POV some dealers/some users are manipulative and blinded enough that decriminalization and safe access to drugs isn’t going to eliminate the potential for this specific incident, so maybe I have a more cynical view of humanity. I’m bothered when I see focus shifted on the moral agency of some of the causal humans and completely away from others. I guess if the OP has unquestioning faith in a punitive-seeking government drug policy that would bother me too. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/32 "2019-01-15T03:56:24Z")
Kind of a tangent but you know as much as I hate big brother’s war on drugs and keeping people from harming their own bodies. Sometimes I fear what a future society might look like if all drugs were legalized or something. Pot to me should clearly be legal, but I’ve heard rational arguments that all drugs should be legalized. I also know if that were the case when I was say 18 years old, I prob would be dead by now if I could have walked in a store and bought any drug I wanted. ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/33 "2019-01-15T04:02:07Z")
Fentanyl? Yeah, the government’s not softening regulations on that anytime soon. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/34 "2019-01-15T04:31:21Z")
Totally pit-worthy subject, IMHO. But what to do? Check out this cite on the [Mexican Drug War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War). It claims that, since 2006, 250,000 people have been killed, 30,000 gone missing and 1.6 million have been displaced by the Mexican drug war. Now, I know, fuck Mexico, right? But if your plan is to fuck drug dealers, I don’t think anything could work like legalizing drugs would. Suddenly the cheese is taken out of the maze, and all these rats have to scatter somewhere else because they aren’t going to be shipping tons of drugs through tunnels, on boats, in shipping containers &etc. into the US. Legalize drugs in the US and believe you me, drug dealers will be _fucked._ I have squicky feeling about what the world might look like after such a step. Maybe events like those described in the OP would become more common. Maybe overdose deaths would increase (and they are already epidemic), though it doesn’t seem to have worked out that way in Portugal, where drugs already have been legalized and reportedly drug problems of all kinds are down. I dunno. I don’t think there is a full answer to the drug issue. Legalization might be the most harm-reducing solution. May I fuck off now? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/35 "2019-01-15T04:37:05Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > May I fuck off now? You may, with a hearty handshake and the nation’s gratitude. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/36 "2019-01-15T04:41:02Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > That’s why it is in the pit, not gd. The pit is an appropriate place for the _story_. Not for a one-sentence sweeping generalization that blames anyone who has ever taken an illegal drug for what happened in this incident. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/37 "2019-01-15T04:45:14Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > The pit is an appropriate place for the _story_. > > Not for a one-sentence sweeping generalization that blames anyone who has ever taken an illegal drug for what happened in this incident. The drug epidemic is out of control. People are dying, families are destroyed, and billions of dollars that could be spent elsewhere are used to control and solve the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/38 "2019-01-15T04:50:00Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > The drug epidemic is out of control. People are dying, families are destroyed, and billions of dollars that could be spent elsewhere are used to control and solve the problem. Are you Robert Ritchie? “Crime. Boy, I don’t know.” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/wvr1T1sFvEg/hqdefault.jpg "West Wing - Crime - Boy I Don't Know.mpg") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvr1T1sFvEg) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/39 "2019-01-15T04:52:24Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > Who asked you fucker? Then don’t post on a public message board, dumbass. I think it’s time for your xanax. Or perhaps you prefer [something else](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=858311). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-drugs-and-drug-dealers/827774/40 "2019-01-15T04:55:19Z")
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