# Fuck Fox. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 23, 2005, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760 "2005-07-23T03:07:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/1 "2005-07-23T03:07:03Z")
Yeah, I know, it’s been done. But I just got through watching the first part of “Serenity,” the **Firefly** pilot, on SciFi. I have the DVDs, but broadcast is different. There is the knowledge that you are sharing the experience with others around the planet at the same time. “Serenity”…the pilot that was\* supposed\* to be shown **first**. The intro to the series we were all denied. And then they killed it. I don’t know exactly what level of Hell is reserved for whoever killed\*\* Firefly\*\*. But I do know I want to piss on his grave someday. Can’t stop the signal… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/2 "2005-07-23T07:03:46Z")
I’m a pretty big SciFi fan, and I tried to watch that series a few times. I thought it was mediocre at best. No sympathy from me on this one. Sorry… ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/3 "2005-07-23T14:12:10Z")
Silenus – that seems a bit overblown. Obviously, Fox made a stupid decision, and killed a good show. But Hell? Seems a bit much; I mean, they’re bad, but they’re not Dick Cheney. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/4 "2005-07-23T14:17:52Z")
Besides, we ranted on this when it actually happened. It was all over Cafe and the Pit. (I’m still bitter about it.) I think you may have missed the flame window by a couple of years. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/5 "2005-07-23T17:05:41Z")
No…I saw it then and flamed them then as well. But _Firefly_ is now on SciFi, and it was appropriate to flame Fox again. A good grudge is one that is nurtured, over time, into a full-fledged obsession. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/6 "2005-07-23T17:11:50Z")
I must say that I sympathize with the OP. I’ve never understood why no one will step up and fund the programming that I like best. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/7 "2005-07-23T19:15:50Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Yeah, I know, it’s been done. But I just got through watching the first part of “Serenity,” the **Firefly** pilot, on SciFi. I have the DVDs, but broadcast is different. There is the knowledge that you are sharing the experience with others around the planet at the same time. “Serenity”…the pilot that was\* supposed\* to be shown **first**. The intro to the series we were all denied. And then they killed it. > I don’t know exactly what level of Hell is reserved for whoever killed\*\* Firefly\*\*. But I do know I want to piss on his grave someday. > > Can’t stop the signal… When I first heard of this, I said to myself, wow, the pilot must be awful. Then I saw the first twenty minutes of the original pilot and said o my self “!@#$%^&\*()\_+?\>\<” FOX\> ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/8 "2005-07-23T19:48:30Z")
I haven’t seen a single episode, so I don’t really care either way, but why would a network show the episodes out of order? Was there _anything_ to gain, or was it just pure incompetence? ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/9 "2005-07-23T19:53:51Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > I haven’t seen a single episode, so I don’t really care either way, but why would a network show the episodes out of order? Was there _anything_ to gain, or was it just pure incompetence? What they did, AKAICT, is decide not to show the original pilot because it was a. too long (two hours) and b. too expositional. They wanted to jump right in without any explanation. This required the writers to go back and write a brand new pilot in one weekend. The result is the (now) second episode, “The Train Job”, which is okay, if one of the weaker episode (imho). After the show was already slated for cancellation, they showed the pilot in two parts as the last broadcasts. There were also three additional episodes that never aired. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/10 "2005-07-23T20:43:35Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I must say that I sympathize with the OP. I’ve never understood why no one will step up and fund the programming that I like best. There’s always the option of the fans themselves ponying up the dough. Fans of Star Trek: Enterprise raised millions to save the series. It wasn’t enough, but perhaps it will set an example for a fan effort that will suceed. ---
**Author:** ![Orual](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orual](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orual)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/11 "2005-07-23T21:05:35Z")
The problem for _Firefly_ was that it never had a chance to find its fans. Fox never gave it a regular timeslot and barely promoted it. I think they wanted it to fail. I think that it found more fans after it was released on DVD then when it was airing… ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/12 "2005-07-23T22:56:50Z")
Yeah, they showed the eps out of order, they did about two (just two, mind you) whole summer lead in promos for it, never promo’d it during other hit shows, and didn’t they also switch day and time on it? FOX/TV never wanted it to succeed, apparantly. FTR, virtually all the Trek Dopers were huge fans of _Fierfly_ and I actually wrote FOX/TV several times about the problem (as did many others) when it was still on the air. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Shaft](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@Doctor\_Shaft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Shaft)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/13 "2005-07-23T23:23:36Z")
_Firefly_ is single-handedly one of the best shows ever. I’ve watched all of the episodes on DVD. I never saw it on Fox because they were putting it on Friday nights or something, and of course they hardly promoted the show. They just said, “Hey, the Buffy guy did this,” and I kind of dismissed it, as I was not a huge fan of Buffy, and couldn’t imagine that Joss Whedon could make good sci-fi. Of course, then I was proved so very very wrong. At least they’ll have a movie coming out in the fall though. _Serenity_ looks really good. Too bad they probably won’t include that really hokey intro music that they used for _Firefly_. That guitar and the guy singing was so hypnotic, even though the song itself was kind of dumb. I’d just replace the words and sing along, saying random stuff, and it fit. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/14 "2005-07-23T23:37:17Z")
DAMN IT! I meant to watch it this Friday, but forgot! Does anyone know if it will rerun before the next one airs? (Which I assume is also Friday at 9?) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/15 "2005-07-24T02:37:20Z")
Friday at 7pm, actually. The SciFi Friday lineup is **Firefly** , **Stargate SG-1** , **Stargate Atlantis** , and **Battlestar Galactica**. ---
**Author:** ![Osip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@Osip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Osip)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/16 "2005-07-24T02:47:36Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > No…I saw it then and flamed them then as well. But _Firefly_ is now on SciFi, and it was appropriate to flame Fox again. A good grudge is one that is nurtured, over time, into a full-fledged obsession. 😃 A good grudge is a wonderful thing to harbor. Much like a fine wine, it gets better with age. I inherited a few grudges (both GM and Hoover Vacuum cleaners) I have a few of my own (FOX TV and Pepsi over discontinuing Josta) Let it simmer my friend and preach it on the street corner! (preferably in dirty baggy clothes and make sure you have a cup in hand) ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/17 "2005-07-24T04:36:31Z")
> [@Osip](#): > > …Let it simmer my friend and preach it on the street corner! > (preferably in dirty baggy clothes and make sure you have a cup in hand) Can we throw cats at people as well? I could really get behind that. Re: Fox. What is their deal with taking good shows and then doing all that they can to kill them? I really don’t get it, but it seems to be a pattern with them. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/18 "2005-07-25T02:43:36Z")
OK, Serinity Part 1 will rerun at 6:00 PM on Friday, followed by, of cour,se Serinity Part 2. Good good. Now I just have to remember to watch it this time… ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/19 "2005-07-25T02:53:59Z")
[hijack] Heh. I was about to pit FOX today for the anti-gay “warning” they stuck in right before tonight’s _The Simpsons_ gay marriage episode, but got caught up in something else. _Parental discretion is advised_ my ass. Fuckwitted homophobes. :mad: Adam [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760/20 "2005-07-25T03:58:30Z")
mmmm… [fuckfox](http://salmadream.tripod.com/)… _ghhhhaaaaaarrrrr_ [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-fox/313760.md?page=2)