# Fuck France.......again **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 5, 2004, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262 "2004-12-05T21:01:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/61 "2004-12-06T23:13:50Z")
> [@The Truth](#): > > So you’re saying that baywatch is promoting a similiar level of propaganda as that of a hezbollah channel ? So you’re saying that you’re completely fucking clueless? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Truth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/62 "2004-12-06T23:19:34Z")
> [@andros](#): > > So you’re saying that you’re completely fucking clueless? And you must be a fucking retard, because I am not one of the pea-brained individuals here who is arguing that Hezbollah tv, which is racist, hate speech should fall under freedom of speech. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/63 "2004-12-06T23:23:14Z")
> [@The Truth](#): > > And you must be a fucking retard, because I am not one of the pea-brained individuals here who is arguing that Hezbollah tv, which is racist, hate speech should fall under freedom of speech. Neither is **Liberal** , sparky. But if you’d taken any time to read and process instead of just reacting to all the mean old liberals, you’d realize that. Or maybe you wouldn’t. Damn, it’s true. To a guy with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/64 "2004-12-06T23:27:23Z")
Retard??? Retard? Just how old are you anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/65 "2004-12-06T23:43:54Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Let me say a big fuck you. Inciting hate isn’t freedom of speech. Yes, it is. Of course, coming from a racist little douche like you, criticisms make me feel like I’m on the right side. ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/66 "2004-12-07T04:55:19Z")
Hezbollah, like them or not, got US, Britain, France and Israel to make ‘strategic retreats’ from Lebanon. No other group can say that. To the winner the propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/67 "2004-12-07T08:11:05Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Maybe if we stopped broadcasting Baywatch, men would stop getting horny. First, I see what you meant here. But it’s really not valid to compare the two. Sexual drive is a biological function of living things. It’s natural human desire to procreate. (At least for heteros) Whether there are images of sex has nothing to do with it. It’s a natural part of humanity. Hate speech, however, CAN lead to violence against others. For years and years tolerence groups, PSA’s, etc have said that hate is taught, not inherent. And it could be curbed, if we could use our disagreements to find compromise and acceptance. Hell, the SDMB has helped me a great deal on a few issues examining and re-evaluating some long-held views. Again, I think I know what you meant, but there is no connection between the two. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/68 "2004-12-07T10:32:29Z")
For the record, my tri-cite request was based on the assumption that **duffer** was making a claim about the law. If I misunderstood, I appologize. The way I figure it, he was either talking about **Laws** , **Rights** , or **Rules**. If it was about Laws, then I think the request was a reasonable one. If it was about Rights, then the request wasn’t a reasonable one. Someone could say that we have a Right to free speech, but that doesn’t include X, Y, and Z. Another could say that it does. They could debate the practicality of allowing X, Y, and Z, but at its core their view of Rights would be an opinion. If it was about Rules, such as the rules of the Straight Dope Message Board, then it’s clear that our freedom to discuss things has certain limits. (And, in my opinion, pretty good ones.) ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/69 "2004-12-07T11:53:10Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > First, I see what you meant here. But it’s really not valid to compare the two. > > Sexual drive is a biological function of living things. It’s natural human desire to procreate. (At least for heteros) Whether there are images of sex has nothing to do with it. It’s a natural part of humanity. > > Hate speech, however, CAN lead to violence against others. For years and years tolerence groups, PSA’s, etc have said that hate is taught, not inherent. And it could be curbed, if we could use our disagreements to find compromise and acceptance. Hell, the SDMB has helped me a great deal on a few issues examining and re-evaluating some long-held views. > > Again, I think I know what you meant, but there is no connection between the two. Violence is as natural in humans as sex. The disconnect, as far as I’m concerned, is between hating and inciting. Believing that you can legislate away hate is, to me, dangerously naive. It is one thing to opine that Indians are worthless savages who cannot hold their liquor, and quite another to encourage people to find Indians and hang them from trees. Even within the former, there is a disconnect between fact and deceit. Were there a law, fully enforced, forbidding the initiation of both force and fraud, we who are peaceful and honest would be free to pursue our own happiness in our own way. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/70 "2004-12-07T11:59:20Z")
> [@The Truth](#): > > Are you an average representative of the liberal mindset ? I would say “ideal”, rather than average. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/71 "2004-12-07T15:52:34Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I would say “ideal”, rather than average. Yikes. That doesn’t bode well for the liberal mind-set. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/72 "2004-12-07T16:41:54Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > Yes, it is. > > Of course, coming from a racist little douche like you, criticisms make me feel like I’m on the right side. I’m not racist, but you’re a douche bag. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/73 "2004-12-07T18:56:47Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > I’m not racist, but you’re a douche bag. I thought we’d already established that you were a hateful fuck… ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/74 "2004-12-07T19:09:22Z")
_Oh, France! Oh, ma pauvre petite cherie! Oh… Oh… Oh…_ … Louis XV, Revolution (1789), Napoleon wars, Revolution (1830), Revolution (1848), Bismark, Le Grande Guerre, Hitler… and now **grienspace** wants to… _Oh, quelle horreur! Oh… Oh… Oh La La_ ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/75 "2004-12-07T21:30:06Z")
> [@Who\_me?](#): > > I thought we’d already established that you were a hateful fuck… did you establish it as quickly as when I thought you were an asshole? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/76 "2004-12-07T21:46:58Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I would say “ideal”, rather than average. Well at least you don’t have low self esteem. :rolleyes: **Ryan\_Liam** you did make [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5189622&postcount=1) OP. It’ll probably take a lil’ while to live it down. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2004, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/77 "2004-12-08T16:17:24Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Well at least you don’t have low self esteem. :rolleyes: > > **Ryan\_Liam** you did make [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5189622&postcount=1) OP. > It’ll probably take a lil’ while to live it down. Hehehe [Pwned](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5192951&postcount=165) You’re an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2004, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/78 "2004-12-08T16:54:56Z")
So instead of taking up arms against them and advocating pogroms, you’ll just sit there and resent them. Congrats, you’ve moved down from violent, racist psychopath to run-of-the-mill racist. Baby steps, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2004, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/79 "2004-12-08T17:49:05Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Hehehe > > [Pwned](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5192951&postcount=165) > You’re an asshole. I politely pointed out that it’ll probably take time to live down and OP like that and you call me an asshole? Fuck you and your momma too. And, by the way, you don’t disprove or ‘own’ anybody when you post shit like > [@Ryan\_Liam (bolding mine)](#): > > Another point I want to raise is why everyone seems so offended at my disdain at the prospect of a Muslim Europe, maybe they won’t advocate death, or even change the laws, **it still doesn’t mean I want to see them as the majority faith/culture withing Europe** Merely saying to me ‘but Ryan they’ll tolerate you change their ways etc’ doesn’t make it anymore appealing. **Call me whatever you want bigot, racist etc.** So, let’s review, eh? You start the thread looking like a xenophobic racist asshole. And ‘seeing the light’ somehow makes that okay. But, in any case, ‘seeing the light’ ammounts to you still being a bigoted fuck who doesn’t want to see another group of people have the ‘majority faith/culture’ in your precious little patch of dirt. So yeah, whatever. Fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2004, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262/80 "2004-12-08T22:38:46Z")
> [@](#): > > I politely pointed out that it’ll probably take time to live down and OP like that and you call me an asshole? Ooops, sorry you did!!! I retract the statement. Thanks for the words Finn Again apologies!!! Just been used to getting shit from people on here. Sorry! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-france-again/278262.md?page=5)