# Fuck Hamas **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 27, 2008, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867 "2008-12-27T19:30:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/221 "2008-12-28T07:54:49Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Oh, my mistake then. I misunderstood your point on the first hypothetical then. If you think both are wrong, then you’re consistent. Mentally ill, but consistent. I apologize. Ok, then I apologize for calling you a moron. I was trying to use my first hypothtical to ask if some people might think differently about collateral damage if they knew (hypothetically) that the damage would include their own loved ones. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/222 "2008-12-28T08:04:44Z")
So you’d be cool, then, with someone shooting at your children if they were squatting? Or perhaps cool with US police dealing with squatters by shooting at them? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/223 "2008-12-28T08:12:07Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > So you’d be cool, then, with someone shooting at your children if they were squatting? > > Or perhaps cool with US police dealing with squatters by shooting at them? My children wouldn’t be squatting, and I’d be cool with the police shooting any adult trespassers. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/224 "2008-12-28T08:24:38Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It worked for Gandhi. Traditionally, the Gandhis, Dr. Kings and Mandelas of the world all come from the “weaker” side of the conflict. If the Palestinians produce their own Gandhi we’ll have something to talk about. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/225 "2008-12-28T08:27:19Z")
Didn’t realize we were playing Calvinball. Okay then… sure I’d bomb Osama if my family was with him as hostages, because it’d never be my family with him as hostages. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/226 "2008-12-28T08:45:02Z")
> [@DanBlather](#): > > But those people in Yorkshire have never forgiven us for saving their asses and fucking their women. Oh, do stop this tired meme about the U.S. saving Europe in WWII. Also, I’m glad to find out that by virtue of being born in E.U. I’m an anti-semite. Please go back to your endless bickering about hypotheticals. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/227 "2008-12-28T09:16:08Z")
> [@Charlie\_Tan](#): > > Also, I’m glad to find out that by virtue of being born in E.U. I’m an anti-semite. > Please go back to your endless bickering about hypotheticals. For what it’s worth, let me state for the record that \*I \*do not believe that all Europeans and/or people who criticize Israel are antisemites ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/228 "2008-12-28T10:21:40Z")
At least with aid to Israel, the Israelis don’t hate your guts in return, like for instance Egyptians (50+ billion dollars), whom seem to hate you more the more money you give them. Ah well, can’t buy love. So now that that your economy is fucked up are you guys going to scale back on all the billions of Chinese dollar you send to Egypt, Jordan, Palestine, Israel, Georgia, Pakistan and God knows where else? I’m sure the Georgians would be very sad to hear that you would stop [financing their luxury hotels](http://beeqube.com/article/aid). ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/229 "2008-12-28T11:49:57Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Fear of international reprisals, most likely. Let’s assume that’s true . . . . so what? ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/230 "2008-12-28T12:26:45Z")
> [@bdgr](#): > > Pretty sure we haven’t had any aggression from the Japanese since we nuked them…thier civilizans in fact. > > Or Germany since we fire bombed them into submission. Germany and the US are not allies today because of the firebombing, but because you treated us well after the war and we appreciated it. The submission thing didn’t work so well when it was tried after WW1, did it? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/231 "2008-12-28T12:44:11Z")
> [@'\[Undecided](#): > > Adrian;10622469’]Germany and the US are not allies today because of the firebombing, but because you treated us well after the war and we appreciated it. Maybe, but first the allies secured an unconditional surrender. The problem with the aftermath of WW1 is that they humiliated Germany while leaving them hope for revenge; in WW2 they ground those hopes into dust. ---
**Author:** ![Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petrobey_Mavromihalis)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/232 "2008-12-28T12:46:36Z")
Well, fuck Israel, is all I can say. Not the whole country obviously, but certainly its leaders and those who support their actions. Anyone who thinks these attacks are anything but politically motivated doesn’t parse the world very well. They’re protecting their citizens? With a course of action that has failed to do anything but provoke violence when its been tried before? Good move. Meanwhile there’s an election in a month against a hawkish opposition, and their big buddy in the White House is in his last days. Another Intifada would go down well. They are showing the same disregard for their own civilians as they do for Palestinian ones. Hopefully someone has already said all this, but I haven’t the energy to wade through all the bullshit. Why is it that some subjects seem to stop people’s brains from functioning? ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/233 "2008-12-28T12:59:33Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > The danger is that would become permanent, like the DMZ in Korea. A two-state solution requires a Palestine that is at least economically viable, which requires some trade and intercourse with the much richer Israel. Best-case scenario, the two develop a relationship like Mexico and the U.S. (N.B.: I still think a one-state solution is better; it is the only solution that does not require the West Bank settlers to move.) Good-let it be permanent. It is probably the only reasonable response. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/234 "2008-12-28T13:26:06Z")
> [@Charlie\_Tan](#): > > **Oh, do stop this tired meme about the U.S. saving Europe in WWII.** > > Also, I’m glad to find out that by virtue of being born in E.U. I’m an anti-semite. > Please go back to your endless bickering about hypotheticals. Really? That’s strange. I’m thinking that if the Allies (not just the USA, mind you) hadn’t entered the European theater when they did, that Hitler may very well have retained his control over the conquered portions of Europe that he had at that time, been able to keep manufacturing war materiel (we blew up his industrial base, you see, vewy impowtant widdle wabbit) and focused his efforts entirely on the USSR, a battle he may have won, or at least, stalemated into a draw. And Europe would be very different today than it is. Why do people act like this didn’t happen? Is it because SOME Americans get all haughty about “hey, we saved your asses back in dubya-dubya Two!” or something? That’s got to be it. Well, I’m not arrogant, but I have a vague understanding of the history of WWII, and the Allied intervention in Europe was a deciding factor in that war, whether you want to believe it or not. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/235 "2008-12-28T13:32:16Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Really? That’s strange. I’m thinking that if the Allies (not just the USA, mind you) hadn’t entered the European theater when they did, that Hitler may very well have retained his control over the conquered portions of Europe that he had at that time, been able to keep manufacturing war materiel (we blew up his industrial base, you see, vewy impowtant widdle wabbit) and focused his efforts entirely on the USSR, a battle he may have won, or at least, stalemated into a draw. > > And Europe would be very different today than it is. Why do people act like this didn’t happen? Is it because SOME Americans get all haughty about “hey, we saved your asses back in dubya-dubya Two!” or something? > > That’s got to be it. Well, I’m not arrogant, but I have a vague understanding of the history of WWII, and the Allied intervention in Europe was a deciding factor in that war, whether you want to believe it or not. OK, just don’t make out you did it out of the goodness of your hearts; we already feel inferior enough. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/236 "2008-12-28T13:34:42Z")
> [@'\[Undecided](#): > > Adrian;10622469’]Germany and the US are not allies today because of the firebombing, but because you treated us well after the war and we appreciated it. > > The submission thing didn’t work so well when it was tried after WW1, did it? And that good relationship continues today. I love Germany. When I was stationed there I got a chance to learn some German, get off the base and explore, and I have to say I will never forget it. Great country. And Mosel Riesling is the finest wine on planet Earth. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/237 "2008-12-28T13:36:53Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > OK, just don’t make out you did it out of the goodness of your hearts; we already feel inferior enough. First of all, you are in the UK, so…you were on our team as an equal partner, right? And if we didn’t do it out of the goodness of our hearts, why then? The only other reason would be because Hitler was a very dangerous person and Europe as we know it would have been completely torn asunder if Hitler would have been allowed to rule it. Well, that and the fact that the USA likely would have been next on his list. ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/238 "2008-12-28T13:46:03Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > First of all, you are in the UK, so…you were on our team as an equal partner, right? **DanBlather** was talking about people in Yorkshire, a county in England, not feeling grateful for the US saving them in WW2. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/239 "2008-12-28T13:53:20Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > OK, just don’t make out you did it out of the goodness of your hearts; we already feel inferior enough. No, that was the Truman Plan! Don’t worry. It’s been scientifically established that if the US had done nothing, the Soviets would have defeated Hitler, and then there would have been a world of perfect communism for all. ---
**Author:** ![alexandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@alexandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alexandra)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/240 "2008-12-28T13:53:24Z")
A fair few Americans like to forget that quite a huge factor in the Nazis being defeated were the efforts of those evil Commies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867.md?page=13)