# Fuck Hamas **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 27, 2008, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867 "2008-12-27T19:30:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/101 "2008-12-28T00:17:07Z")
Ah. Now that I’m back from dinner, & listened to a certain clown jabber in his Gibbon-like fashion about me, I’d like to make a suggestion. Remove everybody along a 10 mile border with Israel. A neutral zone. Empty of everybody. This would allow for cooling off. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/102 "2008-12-28T00:18:13Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It’s good to see that racism, bigotry and advocacy of genocide and terrorism are still alive and well around here. I wouldn’t want think we were getting too liberal. > > If a bad guy takes a shot at you and misses, do you then have the right to kill his children and his neighbors and his neighbors’ children? It’s regrettable, but if the bad guy determinedly hides among his children and neighbors, would you just let him go? Besides, “misses” is misleading. Rather, if a bad guy kills one of your children, do you shoot back even if it leads to the death of ten of his? I’d be thrilled to hear your preferred solution. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/103 "2008-12-28T00:24:48Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It’s good to see that racism, bigotry and advocacy of genocide and terrorism are still alive and well around here. I wouldn’t want think we were getting too liberal. > > If a bad guy takes a shot at you and misses, do you then have the right to kill his children and his neighbors and his neighbors’ children? **Dio** , that’s a bad analogy and you know it. Hamas is _intentionally_ targeting Israeli civilians, Israel is targeting Hamas and unfortunately killing civilians in the process. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/104 "2008-12-28T00:26:02Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > You know, it’s funny…many of the neighboring Arab nations like to give lip service to championing the plight of the Palestinians within their rhetoric, but what aid and comfort do they give them, other than to pay them a ransom to the family members of a suicide bomber after he blows up some Jews in Tel Aviv? Ageed; but neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians can do anything about that, and it’s largely irrelevant to their conflict. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/105 "2008-12-28T00:29:30Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > It’s regrettable, but if the bad guy determinedly hides among his children and neighbors, would you just let him go? Yep. I’m not a fucking psychopath. I’m not killing innocent people, period. > [@](#): > > Besides, “misses” is misleading. Rather, if a bad guy kills one of your children, do you shoot back even if it leads to the death of ten of his? I’d be thrilled to hear your preferred solution. Nope. I don’t shoot back and kill innocent people because I’m not a fucking psychopath. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/106 "2008-12-28T00:29:38Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Rather, if a bad guy kills one of your children, do you shoot back even if it leads to the death of ten of his? No, of course not. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/107 "2008-12-28T00:30:52Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > **Dio** , that’s a bad analogy and you know it. Hamas is _intentionally_ targeting Israeli civilians, Israel is targeting Hamas and unfortunately killing civilians in the process. That makes **Dio’s** analogy perfectly apt. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/108 "2008-12-28T00:31:26Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > **Dio** , that’s a bad analogy and you know it. Hamas is _intentionally_ targeting Israeli civilians, Israel is targeting Hamas and unfortunately killing civilians in the process. What a steaming pile of shit. If they know that their attacks will kill innocent people, then they’re _targeting_ innocent people. There isn’t a shred of moral difference. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/109 "2008-12-28T00:32:42Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > That makes **Dio’s** analogy perfectly apt. That’s a good point too. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/110 "2008-12-28T00:36:32Z")
> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > Remove everybody along a 10 mile border with Israel. I assume you mean on the Israeli side of the border, otherwise your knowledge of geography is a little … shaky (unless the Palestinians are all _really_ good swimmers). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/111 "2008-12-28T00:37:54Z")
> [@Discordia](#): > > BG, if Israel took option number two, and the Hamas controlled Palestine started launching rockets into Israel, what does Israel do? Treat it as a conventional war between two independent states; Israel usually wins those, and could do so in that case without seeking to reclaim any territory. IOW, just kick ass hard until they surrender on terms, make clear any further attacks will be dealt with the same way. But, independent Palestine’s economic future would depend on free intercourse with Israel. If they have their independence, and they still have not the strength to destroy Israel, why start a war at all? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/112 "2008-12-28T00:39:09Z")
Let me ask a question. Let’s say that a really bad terrorist is on the loose in your hometown. Let’s say it’s Osama himself. Let’s say that he breaks into your house and is holding your whole family hostage. You are on the outside. Let’s say you have a choice between letting Osama go free or blowing up your house and killing your whole family, as well as possibly killing or injuring your neighbors. What would you choose. Please don’t fight the hypothesis. I know it can be picked apart. My question really boils down to this: Would you be willing to kill your own children in order to get Osama bin Laden? Yes or no? ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/113 "2008-12-28T00:39:26Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > If a bad guy takes a shot at you and misses, do you then have the right to kill his children and his neighbors and his neighbors’ children? Maybe, if he hides behind them and keeps shooting and blowing up MY family and neighbors… ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/114 "2008-12-28T00:39:34Z")
> [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](#): > > I assume you mean on the Israeli side of the border, otherwise your knowledge of geography is a little … shaky (unless the Palestinians are all _really_ good swimmers). And remove everybody from the Heights. Everybody. No soldiers, no civilians, no Arabs, no Jews, nobody. All that pocket is, is a ripe boil. Fuel for the fire. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/115 "2008-12-28T00:40:19Z")
> [@bdgr](#): > > Maybe, if he hides behind them and keeps shooting and blowing up MY family and neighbors… Then you’re the same as he is. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/116 "2008-12-28T00:40:39Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Thay they realize that they’re not going to get everything they want? If “everything they want” is Israel’s destruction, I think they’ve known a long time it’s not going to happen. If “everything they want” is everything between the Green Line **(not** the Wall) and the Jordan River and an open border with Jordan, that is exactly what you should give them. East Jerusalem would remain Israeli and a sticking-point but I think they’d learn to live with that eventually. (It’s never a good idea to politically divide a city anyway.) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/117 "2008-12-28T00:49:14Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Yep. I’m not a fucking psychopath. I’m not killing innocent people, period. > > Nope. I don’t shoot back and kill innocent people because I’m not a fucking psychopath. You must have a lot of children if you’re so unattached to them individually that responding to one being killed is a psychopathic act. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/118 "2008-12-28T00:50:44Z")
Responding _by killing more innocent people_ is a psychopathic act. Would you kill your own children to get Osama bin Laden? yes or no? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/119 "2008-12-28T00:53:26Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Responding _by killing more innocent people_ is a psychopathic act. Sure, it is. There, there. > [@](#): > > Would you kill your own children to get Osama bin Laden? yes or no? Bin Laden doesn’t pose an ongoing threat to my children, or at least not a threat more significant than drunk drivers and such. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/120 "2008-12-28T00:54:55Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Those thoughts belong in the mind of no Libertarian. Why is that? As a libertarian, I fully support the idea of self defense. I hope Israel sends them to their grave. > [@](#): > > Hamas “will continue the resistance until the last drop of blood,” vowed spokesman Fawzi Barhoum. Terms are acceptable. Israel may now proceed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867.md?page=7)