# Fuck Hamas **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 27, 2008, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867 "2008-12-27T19:30:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/161 "2008-12-28T02:26:38Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > A thought occurs; if Israeli children and Palestinian children are morally equivalent, why doesn’t Hamas just kill Palestinian children to try to force Israel to negotiate? Palestinian children are closer at hand - at the very least it’d be a lot easier. What makes you think Israel would give a shit about Palestinian children? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/162 "2008-12-28T02:30:29Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The killer has not taken out any kids to being with, nor will refraining endanger any more of them. The targets in this case were not a serious threat to Israeli civilians. These aren’t fireworks we’re talking about. Shall I commence Googling for Israeli rocket casualties or just declare you wrong out of hand? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/163 "2008-12-28T02:31:41Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > What makes you think Israel would give a shit about Palestinian children? Well, they’re the moral equivalent of Israeli children. I read that somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/164 "2008-12-28T02:38:56Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > These aren’t fireworks we’re talking about. Shall I commence Googling for Israeli rocket casualties or just declare you wrong out of hand? There’s been only one Israeli casualty from these attacks. That does not justify bombing hundreds of civilians. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/165 "2008-12-28T02:39:56Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, they’re the moral equivalent of Israeli children. I read that somewhere. That’s correct. They are the same. Now go tell Israel that. Or do you disagree? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/166 "2008-12-28T02:40:50Z")
Put me down firmly in the “Fuck Hamas” category. If they had not been firing rockets into Israel, Israel would not be retaliating right now. They’re getting what the deserve and a little belatedly. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/167 "2008-12-28T02:44:25Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I can think of one difference: > > If the folks on Hamas’ side lay down their arms, there will be peace. Until someone like the settlers comes along, shoots them and takes their land. And the Israelis have done quite a lot to make living in peace as intolerable as they could. Both sides are fond of relentlessly provoking the other until someone gets violent, then using that to excuse violent retaliation. The Israelis push and push; the Palestinians push and push. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Put me down firmly in the “Fuck Hamas” category. If they had not been firing rockets into Israel, Israel would not be retaliating right now. Oh, I expect they’d find some other reason. Either on their own or when Hamas tried something else. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/168 "2008-12-28T02:47:55Z")
> [@](#): > > If the folks on Hamas’ side lay down their arms, there will be peace. If you don’t go squatting on other people’s land, you won’t get shot at. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/169 "2008-12-28T02:53:24Z")
The Israeli ambassador is sitting down with Yassir Arafat to try to work out a peace agreement. The ambassador asks if he might first tell a story. Arafat tells him to go ahead. The ambassador begins. “When Moses was in the desert for 40 years, the Jews got very thirsty and Moses asked God for water and there appeared a beautiful lake. The Jews first drank and then bathed themselves. Moses did the same when it was his turn, but when he came out of the water, all his clothes were gone. Moses shouted: ‘Where are my clothes? Who took them?’ The Jews answered: `The Palestinians took them’.” Arafat quickly objected by saying that there were no Palestinians at that time. The ambassador looks at Arafat and says, “RIGHT!!! NOW we can begin to negotiate.” ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/170 "2008-12-28T03:04:35Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > If you don’t go squatting on other people’s land, you won’t get shot at. Unfortunately, the folks on Hamas’ side seem to have a pretty broad view of what “their land” should mean. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/171 "2008-12-28T03:07:32Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Until someone like the settlers comes along, shoots them and takes their land. Yeah, like all those settlers who are busy colonizing Gaza right now. But wait . . . did the Gazans kick them out? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/172 "2008-12-28T03:08:45Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Unfortunately, the folks on Hamas’ side seem to have a pretty broad view of what “their land” should mean. So do the settlers. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/173 "2008-12-28T03:09:51Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > So do the settlers. Sure, like the ones who are busy shooting Gazans and setting up colonies their. Or wait . . . did the Gazans kick them out? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/174 "2008-12-28T03:11:14Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > The Israeli ambassador is sitting down with Yassir Arafat to try to work out a peace agreement. The ambassador asks if he might first tell a story. Arafat tells him to go ahead. The ambassador begins. > > “When Moses was in the desert for 40 years, the Jews got very thirsty and Moses asked God for water and there appeared a beautiful lake. The Jews first drank and then bathed themselves. Moses did the same when it was his turn, but when he came out of the water, all his clothes were gone. Moses shouted: ‘Where are my clothes? Who took them?’ The Jews answered: `The Palestinians took them’.” > > Arafat quickly objected by saying that there were no Palestinians at that time. The ambassador looks at Arafat and says, “RIGHT!!! NOW we can begin to negotiate.” The point of this story is what? That Israeli/Palestinian policy should be based on Jewish mythology? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/175 "2008-12-28T03:11:47Z")
I’d say this is a good time to re-run [this website](http://pizzaidf.org/) that I bookmarked after it appeared on Weird Earl’s a long time ago. (The wife and I have actually sent pizza to the troops in the past. 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/176 "2008-12-28T03:12:24Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Unfortunately, the folks on Hamas’ side seem to have a pretty broad view of what “their land” should mean. If by “broad” you mean “legal,” then I agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/177 "2008-12-28T03:14:59Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > If by “broad” you mean “legal,” then I agree with you. By “broad,” I mean all the land everywhere. But particularly all of Israel. Anyway, it seems you agree with me. If Israel lays down its arms, there will be no more Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/178 "2008-12-28T03:15:26Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > If by “broad” you mean “legal,” then I agree with you. No, not “legal”. The international community recognizes the existence of Israel as legitimate. Hamas doesn’t. Hamas claims both the occupied territories and the land that’s internationally recognized as Israeli territory. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/179 "2008-12-28T03:23:56Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > If Israel lays down its arms, there will be no more Israel. Just like most other countries. And ? That doesn’t give them the moral right to kill indiscriminately. Nor does it make it smart. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867/180 "2008-12-28T03:24:02Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > By “broad,” I mean all the land everywhere. But particularly all of Israel. Israel has the same problem in thinking its enititled to Palesitinian territories. > [@](#): > > Anyway, it seems you agree with me. If Israel lays down its arms, there will be no more Israel. The same could be said about the Palestinians. There are people in this thread advocating the literal, genocidal extinction of all Palestinian people. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hamas/478867.md?page=10)