Maybe so. But it is one of the few cites that even analyse this alleged “quote”, and it names legitimate citations - namely, this book:
It’s $150, so I’m hardly going to buy it, but the reviewers indicate this Worldnet author isn’t lying about this:
So here we have not a worldnet cite, but a worldnet author correctly quoting from an apparently respectable historian - Efraim Karsh. Make of that what you will.
Okay here’s my pie in the sky hope for a first step toward peace.
Israel should start shipping in medical supplies, food, fuel, and humanitarian aid to Gaza. According to this BBC story Gaza is having a severe shortage of supplies, especially medical supplies for the injured.
Whether or not these attacks are justified there’s alot of collateral damage to innocent people. I think medical supplies and aid for those innocents would be a small start to rehumanizing both sides and a small start to undoing some of the hate.
Maybe. Worth doing whether it undoes the hate or not. But Americans did some of that in Vietnam, IIRC, and it didn’t make the Vietnamese love us any better.
I’m somewhat satisfied that these two quotes:
… are not genuine. I can find no source at all for the first, and a good source (without rebuttal) that the second is an error in translation by Benny Morris.
Anyone have any further info?
Sorry about this. I found those quotes on an internet quote site, and I posted them in good faith.
Incidentally, the tactics mentioned have all been used by the Israeli government against the Palestinians, whether they are offically endorsed in writing or not.
Found a cite for the first quote:
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/_mideastweb_confronts_false_quotations_on_miftah_website_
Having read the report (cited in full above), this is quite true - yet the quote is plastered all over the Internet.
Well presentation is important.
I have a feeling we presented the supplies as “we give you this stuff because we’re the awesomest (and we’re spraying napalm on you out of love)”, which I personally wouldn’t take too well.
Israel would do well to show sincere concern for the injured.
And who have full citizenship. Also, they seem to be in no hurry to move to Gaza or the West Bank to be with their bretheren. Strange…
Fair enough. Weird analogy, but fair enough.
And your other point?
Why?
Why not just ignore the lot of them – all sides – and come back in a few generations to see what is left.
Here’s a video which purports to be a Hamas leader stating that they use women, children, and the elderly as shields:
That’s from MEMRI - the Middle East Media Research Institute. Not a reliable source at all if you’d care to look them up. But isn’t that fairly normal for your sources? 
I’m automatically skeptical of these sorts of videos. For one thing, I don’t speak Arabic. For another, I don’t know the face of the person who is speaking.
That’s why I said “purports to be” in my post. Nevertheless, I would not be surprised to learn that the video is what it purports to be.
Not any more than for most other posters (who post in threads regarding controversial issues). One should always be skeptical about information published regarding controversial issues.
Here’s a video which purports to show Gazans launching mortar shells from in front of the entrance to a school:
One thing is for sure: the Israelis have a much better department of propaganda and public relations.
At any rate, I still can’t see how that justifies bombing a school unless genocide is the intended final aim. The missile was launched, the guys who did it are probably out of there, what good does it serve to kill the children in the school?
By that line of reasoning it is more acceptable for Iraqis or Al Qaeda to kill random adult Americans who, after all, pay taxes to support their government’s violent acts.
Why do you say that the Israelis think this “justifies bombing a school”? Did you watch the video?
The video clearly says the Israelis did not bomb the school. They could see the mortar being set up, launching, and being taken down, but they didn’t return fire because there was a possibility that children might be around. The commentator says that afterwards the group with the launcher were hit - but only after they left the built up area.
Sorry if I was not clear. I was not refering to that video or that instance in particular but to the general discussion here where some posters are justifying the blocking of humanitarian aid and the killing and destruction of civilians on the grounds that it is all the fault of Hamas and the Israelis are justified in doing these things. In my view Hamas using civilian facilities to carry out attacks is condemnable but in no way does it justify Israel’s actions which harm civilians.
How “not reliable”?
My impression is that they were, in essence, using a form of propaganda which is pretty effective - they accurately report stuff, only cherry-picking (mostly) articles and videos which put their enemies in the worst light - of which there are, alas, no shortage.
Strikes me that the value of this form would be reduced or eliminated if they simply made stuff up (like the fake Ben Gurion quotes above).
From what I’ve heard, the quality of their translations is actually pretty good, and they do choose genuine stuff to translate.
Of course I’d be delighted to hear otherwise, if such was the case.
Why? Because it’s the kind of thing you would expect a Hamas leader to say? Why? What is your expectation based on?
And even if it does truthfully represent what it “purports” to be, what’s your point? Hiding behind civilians is contemptible, but doesn’t justify the killing of said civilians.
I agree, but I don’t think you understand what sceptical means.
They put out pro-Zionist propaganda. That’s their remit.
I agree that they are clever, and that it’s about spin and presentation rather than out right lies, but their stuff really isn’t to be trusted at face value.