# Fuck Harry Reid! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2010, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694 "2010-02-12T12:53:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/241 "2010-02-14T19:23:55Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I _voted_ for Reagan. I wasn’t hoping for him to go senile, but I know what I observed. I have to go with **Dio** on this. I too voted for Reagan and recall him being somewhat “forgetfull” or wandering at times. Now this might very well have been due to lack of sleep, but I remember people being quite concerned about it. On the other hand, I do recall him coming back and making a great speech or two. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/242 "2010-02-14T19:28:48Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > For someone who keeps ducking questions by claiming that taxes are out of scope of a jobs bill discussion, you seem to want to bring up the Iraq war a lot (a war that Hillary and Kerry voted for, if I’m not mistaken… but it’s the _conservative’s_ war, of course). > > To pretend that tax policy is not unavoidably entwined with job growth is to show your ignorance on how macro economics works. Absolutely a conservatives war. But once the president throws down the gauntlet, there are new forces in play. A person who votes against a war ,once started, does so at great political peril. The idea of rallying around the flag pole has great power. It is treasonous to object ,once the battles are started. It should not be but it is. Grant explained that in his autobiography when he was ordered to go into Mexico. he thought it was a wrong war and for the purpose taking land from people who were no threat. But he knew his political and military careers would end if he did not agree to go. It is rare to find a politician with the guts to stand up against a war cry. but that does not mean they agree in their hearts. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/243 "2010-02-14T19:31:22Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > For someone who keeps ducking questions by claiming that taxes are out of scope of a jobs bill discussion, you seem to want to bring up the Iraq war a lot . Well, if you guys _insist_ on talking taxes, there’s no reason for me not to talk about what you fuckers _owe_ now is there? Sorry if it puts a crimp in your fetish though, that’s just life 😉 What do you think you should do about paying for your war? Clearly lower taxes wont solve the problem. What do you think would give conservatives a solid base upon which to credibly claim they care about fiscal matters in any but the most selfish sense? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/244 "2010-02-14T19:33:49Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > For someone who keeps ducking questions by claiming that taxes are out of scope of a jobs bill discussion, you seem to want to bring up the Iraq war a lot (a war that Hillary and Kerry voted for, if I’m not mistaken… but it’s the _conservative’s_ war, of course). > > To pretend that tax policy is not unavoidably entwined with job growth is to show your ignorance on how macro economics works. Let me help you out and save you the time and aggravation of trying to have a discussion with a nitwit: “conservatives are evil and wrong and responsible for all things bad.” Every post of his is a variation of that. Just take whatever he types, translate to the above and hear it in the tone of Martini listening to McMurphy and repeatedly responding with a vapid, imbecilic smile, “I bet a nickel”. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/245 "2010-02-14T19:37:48Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Well, if you guys _insist_ on talking taxes, there’s no reason for me not to talk about what you fuckers _owe_ now is there? > Sorry if it puts a crimp in your fetish though, that’s just life 😉 > What do you think you should do about paying for your war? > Clearly lower taxes wont solve the problem. What do you think would give conservatives a solid base upon which to credibly claim they care about fiscal matters in any but the most selfish sense? Ahem, there are still a few questions in your court. You know the ones I asked you in Post #7 when you brought up “fair share”. I think I might have supplied them a time or two since for your convenience. Also, just out of curiosity, what do you mean by “your war” and “what you fuckers owe”? Are you not an American? ---
**Author:** ![culture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/958977/32.png) [@culture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/culture)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/246 "2010-02-14T20:34:44Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > I just don’t tolerate bullshit from people who have harmed my country. When these conservatives have paid for their damage, they can come sniffing around for fresh new goodies, and not one day before. > As a libertarian, surely you agree that they should pay for their excesses. I’m willing to argue whether they deserve any _new_ goodies with you at a later date. Bush II was the worst president in recent history (last 40 years at least), and caused incalculable harm to the county. However, this does not mean that deficit spending by the Democrats is acceptable, or the passage of government funded national healthcare is justified. > [@Squink](#): > > Right now, I’d like to see a jobs bill passed that’ll prevent us from becoming a has-been on the global stage. W damaged us badly, and this is _not_ the time to fuck around with petty tax cuts for anyone. There is _real_ work to be done. While I would love for jobs to be created, there is no realistic possibility of the jobs bill creating jobs. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/247 "2010-02-14T21:02:11Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Well, if you guys _insist_ on talking taxes, there’s no reason for me not to talk about what you fuckers _owe_ now is there? > Sorry if it puts a crimp in your fetish though, that’s just life 😉 > What do you think you should do about paying for your war? > Clearly lower taxes wont solve the problem. What do you think would give conservatives a solid base upon which to credibly claim they care about fiscal matters in any but the most selfish sense? Well, if you read what your boy gonzo just said, it’s not ‘my war’ or ‘your war’, it’s ‘America’s war’. And it’s not what ‘we owe’, it’s what all of us owe (assuming you’re American). Please continue to introduce more strawmen regarding fetishi, etc, as I assume that’s about all you have in the tank. When you say > [@](#): > > Clearly lower taxes wont solve the problem Which problem do you mean: creating more jobs (which was the OP’s topic)? You sure about that? Maybe you want to revise and extend your remarks? Lower taxes virtually always create more jobs. The only question is, will they provide as much bang-for-the-buck job-creation-wise as other potential efforts? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/248 "2010-02-14T21:03:52Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Let me help you out and save you the time and aggravation of trying to have a discussion with a nitwit: “conservatives are evil and wrong and responsible for all things bad.” > > Every post of his is a variation of that. Just take whatever he types, translate to the above and hear it in the tone of Martini listening to McMurphy and repeatedly responding with a vapid, imbecilic smile, “I bet a nickel”. yeah I know, I’ve crushed him repeatedly in other threads. I feel like I’m having a battle of the wits with an unarmed man. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/249 "2010-02-14T21:07:39Z")
Obama has already lowered taxes. He has raised taxes on no one. All of Bush’s tax cuts for the rich are still in place. We were told that those cuts would create jobs under Bush. What happened? Do they not count as tax cuts anymore? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/250 "2010-02-14T21:34:00Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Well, if you read what your boy gonzo just said, it’s not ‘my war’ or ‘your war’, it’s ‘America’s war’. Nope, you pushed it, you bought it. You can pay for it. Why the heck didn’t you start paying for it while your guy was still in office? Oh, that’s right, you have a taxcut addiction. That’s why we’re even talking about this in a thread about a JOBS bill. Do you have any thoughts, besides taxcuts, on ways to create JOBS? -I thought not. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/251 "2010-02-14T21:43:26Z")
> [@culture](#): > > Bush II was the worst president in recent history (last 40 years at least), and caused incalculable harm to the county. However, this does not mean that deficit spending by the Democrats is acceptable, or the passage of government funded national healthcare is justified. > > While I would love for jobs to be created, there is no realistic possibility of the jobs bill creating jobs. The jobs bill does create jobs. Tax cuts do not, especially for corporations. I suppose you already know that corporations have been dumping employees for a long, long time. Companies that are big enough outsource jobs. Companies that are doing work locally have to hire here. Work on the infrastructure has to be done here. That is where we need to look for job creation. Why mention deficits without admitting Cheney, Bush, Bush and Reagan said deficits do not matter. Then they proved they meant it. But the tax and spend Dems like Clinton actually balanced the budget. Now, Obama spent a ton trying to save the banking system from our libertarians and conservatives. He has not continued the deficits do not matter talk, but instead says they are important and he is trying to deal with them. How can you actually continue such talk with what has happened in the last 10 years. The Dems are the adults and will try and fix the repub messes. That is what we have to do. Were you abroad last week when he started the pay as you go action? When the hell did Bush suggest anything that was fiscally adult? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/252 "2010-02-14T22:20:54Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > I thought not. Yeah, It’s kind obvious. Both in the past and present tense. Still waiting for the answers originally posted in Post #7, which was in response to your Post #6. So whataya say, **Martini**? Got anything. _Anything_? Here, let’s start with an much easier one: \*\*Question: Are you an American? Answer: \_\_\_ Yes \_\_\_ No\*\* ---
**Author:** ![culture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/958977/32.png) [@culture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/culture)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/253 "2010-02-14T22:59:59Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Now, Obama spent a ton trying to save the banking system from our libertarians and conservatives. There has been no real libertarian influence on the law of this county for at least the past 40 years. I was not paying attention to politics before then so I don’t know if they had any influence before then. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/254 "2010-02-15T00:21:10Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > \*\*Question: Are you an American? > > Answer: \_\_\_ Yes \_\_\_ No\*\* This really bugs you guys doesn’t it? Someone was after me about that just last month. Would it help you out if I told you I was the king of Siam, or perhaps Latveria? Why do you care? You’re not a stalker in addition to being a taxcut addict, are you? **Culture:** Liberteraria isn’t my thing, but you might enjoy this: > [@](#): > > [Ayn Rand’s HUAC Testimony](http://www.noblesoul.com/orc/texts/huac.html) > > The following is a full transcript of the testimony by Ayn Rand before the United States House of Representatives’ Committee on Un-American Activities (commonly known as the House Un-American Activities Committee, or HUAC1) on October 20, 1947. ---
**Author:** ![culture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/958977/32.png) [@culture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/culture)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/255 "2010-02-15T01:53:37Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > **Culture:** Liberteraria isn’t my thing, but you might enjoy this: Squink, As I mentioned, I am not a nut-job Libertarian. If you are a Democrat, I do not assume you are a Maoist. If you are a Republican, I do not assume you are a Fascist. Why does everyone assume all Libertarians believe in no government and love Any Rand? She was a nut. So is almost everyone on Pacifica Radio and Fox News. I believe a government. I believe in taxes. I do not believe it is the government’s job to supply food, clothing, shelter, transportation (outside of infrastructure) and health care to its citizens. I have no problem with the government facilitating and regulating these services at a reasonable level. I suspect my version of reasonable is much, much less then yours. Personally I believe that the average American is also a moderate libertarian, they have just never been given the chance by the two parties. The end result of the left wing of the democratic party will be a bunch of cripples, unable to fully actualize themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/256 "2010-02-15T04:07:52Z")
> [@culture](#): > > Squink, > > As I mentioned, I am not a nut-job Libertarian. If you are a Democrat, I do not assume you are a Maoist. If you are a Republican, I do not assume you are a Fascist. Why does everyone assume all Libertarians believe in no government and love Any Rand? She was a nut. So is almost everyone on Pacifica Radio and Fox News. I wasn’t assuming you loved Ayn Rand, just that you might appreciate that bit of early history on Rand’s interaction with the Feds. She was after all a major contributor to the rise of modern libertarianism. As far as I can tell, I’ve got little beef with you other than your tacit support for a Republican hijack of a jobs bill with more of their taxcut obsession, or at least your support for blathering on about taxcuts in a thread about a jobs bill. You may indeed may be a non-crazy/honorable libertarian, but if the past 15 years have taught us internet users anything, it’s to approach the statements of self styled libertarians with caution. At the very least, there’s a lot of faux libertarians out there. There’s a lot of crazy Republicans and Democrats around too. Assurances to the contrary aside, only continued interaction over a prolonged period allow us to sort who is which on an anonymous board like this one. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/257 "2010-02-15T05:04:02Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > This really bugs you guys doesn’t it? > Someone was after me about that just last month. > Would it help you out if I told you I was the king of Siam, or perhaps Latveria? > Why do you care? > You’re not a stalker in addition to being a taxcut addict, are you? :smack: You really have no idea why someone in this thread might ask if you’re American? Can you REALLY be that friggin mush-minded? Here’s a hint, the size of the Great Pyramid: [QUOTE=Mr Smashy] [QUOTE=Squink] Well, if you guys insist on talking taxes, there’s no reason for me not to talk about what you fuckers owe now is there? Sorry if it puts a crimp in your fetish though, that’s just life What do you think you should do about paying for your war? [/QUOTE] Well, if you read what your boy gonzo just said, it’s not ‘my war’ or ‘your war’, it’s ‘America’s war’. And it’s not what ‘we owe’, it’s what all of us owe (assuming you’re American). [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/258 "2010-02-15T05:18:25Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > **Culture:** Liberteraria isn’t my thing, but you might enjoy this: I have my problems with Rand, but that was brilliant. Smart, smart woman. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/259 "2010-02-15T13:28:37Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Can you REALLY be that friggin mush-minded Well, if all you conservatives can be that obsessed over getting a new tax cut when you haven’t even paid for all the programs your leader enacted for you over the course of his administration, then yeah, perhaps I _can_ be so ‘friggin mush-minded.’ Looking at me from the point of view\* of a violently childish ‘gimme gimme gimme’ mentality, I can see how I might confuse, or appear mushy. Let me assure you that is not the case. The cognitive deficit, like the war debt, is on your side of the aisle. * * * \*It’s called [empathy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy). I’d ask you to try it some time, but in my experience, conservatives suck at it almost universally. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/260 "2010-02-15T14:26:38Z")
**magell** , I notice that he still won’t answer that question (on citizenship), even though it’s clearly pertinent based on his comments about who ‘owns’ the war, the debt, etc. I wonder why? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694.md?page=14)