# Fuck Harry Reid! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2010, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694 "2010-02-12T12:53:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/21 "2010-02-12T15:25:07Z")
> [@Spit](#): > > I disagree. Someone worked to gain the wealth left behind to loved ones. Maybe they worked, and maybe they didn’t. Most likely not. It’s a complete myth that most people get rich by working. Be that as it may, the person _inheriting_ the money didn’t earn it. It’s just a windfall. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/22 "2010-02-12T15:27:25Z")
> [@gravitycrash](#): > > A 55% estate tax sounds like a fair share? Christ, only a liberal can think like that. Tax the rich dammit! They are winners in life’s lottery! They didn’t work for the money! Give it to the government instead, they will spend it wisely! This is actually all true, even though you’re trying to be sarcastic. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/23 "2010-02-12T15:28:43Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > :rolleyes: This “fair share” nonsense it peddled around here incessantly. Can you please tell me what you think this “fair share” is? Well, for starters you can pay for your own Godammed war instead of pawning the bill off on my kids. 50% of your income for the next 10 years, in addition to regular taxes, out to start to come close to starting to cover the actual and opportunity costs of your little ‘adventure in Iraq’. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/24 "2010-02-12T15:29:06Z")
Anyway, getting back on topic, thjis isn’t a jobs bill, it’s a tax give away to greedy, rich cocksuckers with some minor jobs creation addendums stuck in there. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/25 "2010-02-12T15:31:14Z")
> [@gravitycrash](#): > > A 55% estate tax sounds like a fair share? Christ, only a liberal can think like that. Tax the rich dammit! They are winners in life’s lottery! They didn’t work for the money! Give it to the government instead, they will spend it wisely! Oh kiss my ass. You conservatives talk a good name but every time you take the wheel you drive us into a ditch. The current estate tax situation is a complete mess. You conservatives managed to get rid of it for a cou[le of years, but were too stupid to see that without the estate tax in place many inheretors will pay MORE in taxes because the basis of capital assets will not be changed. I’m not sure if you guys are just stupid or are being disingenuous. You have spme asshole in Alabama holding up appointees while he pimps for defense dollars being spent on his pet projects. The soldiers killed because he thinks he knows more about how the military should spend their money than they do will be on his head. At that same time he wants to add on to the massive Republican deficits he’s whining about the Democrat’s spending. Now I know you trailer park types are too misinformed to notice, but these guys are laughing at you. “Hey, let’s spend more, make taxes on the middle class worse, fuck up healthcare, and see if we can make the Bubbas think we are helping them. We’ll just make them afraid of niggers and fags and we can do anything we want”. You guys are pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/26 "2010-02-12T15:32:07Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Maybe they worked, and maybe they didn’t. Most likely not. It’s a complete myth that most people get rich by working. Cite? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/27 "2010-02-12T15:37:12Z")
George W. Bush. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/28 "2010-02-12T15:37:59Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Maybe they worked, and maybe they didn’t. Most likely not. It’s a complete myth that most people get rich by working. Be that as it may, the person _inheriting_ the money didn’t earn it. It’s just a windfall. If I died tomorrow, my estate would be worth somewhere slightly north of $1M. I worked damned hard for 40 years to position myself for retirement. The thought of the government taking 55% of that just fries my ass. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/29 "2010-02-12T15:38:30Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I already did answer your questions. Twice. Here, let me be more specific, so you can be: > [@](#): > > 1. Can you please tell me what you think this “fair share” is? > > 2. Just how much more should the government go into the pocket of someone making $200,000 than someone making $40,000? > > 3. How many more days out of a year should the person who makes more earn money have to work on the government’s behalf? > > 4. And just how is that “fair”? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/30 "2010-02-12T15:40:03Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > If I died tomorrow, my estate would be worth somewhere slightly north of $1M. I worked damned hard for 40 years to position myself for retirement. The thought of the government taking 55% of that just fries my ass. They’re not going to take it before you die, and you wouldn’t have been able to amass it without the help of the government anyway. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/31 "2010-02-12T15:40:41Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Well, for starters you can pay for your own Godammed war instead of pawning the bill off on my kids. 50% of your income for the next 10 years, in addition to regular taxes, out to start to come close to starting to cover the actual and opportunity costs of your little ‘adventure in Iraq’. Sorry, I mistook you for someone who had something to contribute. My mistake. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/32 "2010-02-12T15:41:55Z")
I love that you guys think that the major problem facing the country is that the rich pay too much in taxes. Not the deficit, healthcare, national security, civil rights, or jobs. If you look at the ACTUAL FACTS you will see that you policies have made things worse every time you tried them. Everyone makes mistakes, but it takes a conservative to make the same one over and over and over. The previous administration turned surpluses into deficits, let people fly planes into buildings, made New Orleans suffer while the head of FEMA ate at expensive restaurants and obsessed over his clothes, and then started a war that has cost billions, killed thousand of our finest, and has made our national security worse. Even if we graded on a curve we’d have to transport you on the short bus to the Republican Convention. Really, how stupid do you have to be to keep doing the same shit? Look shiny keys, niggers, fags. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/33 "2010-02-12T15:42:34Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Here, let me be more specific, so you can be: What we had under Eisenhower would work for me. That’s all you’re going to get. I’m not going to get into a picayune pissing contest over precise graduations. Let me put it this way. I’m pretty much a socialist. Going back to Eisenhower would be a compromise for me. I think there should be a cap on personal wealth altogether. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/34 "2010-02-12T15:43:13Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Inheritance is unearned income. It’s no different than taxing gambling wins. Yes, it is earned income. And it has already been taxed as it was earned by the person doing the bequeathing. An inheritance tax is nothing but a double-dip by the government and should be eliminated entirely. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/35 "2010-02-12T15:45:14Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > If I died tomorrow, my estate would be worth somewhere slightly north of $1M. I worked damned hard for 40 years to position myself for retirement. The thought of the government taking 55% of that just fries my ass. But they won’t. Do you even have the smallest clue as to how marginal rates work? Do you know that without the current estate tax laws in place the people inheriting your estate will pay MORE in taxes? If you are this misinformed maybe you shouldn’t offer an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/36 "2010-02-12T15:46:30Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Yes, it is earned income. And it has already been taxed as it was earned by the person doing the bequeathing. An inheritance tax is nothing but a double-dip by the government and should be eliminated entirely. No, no, no. It is not already taxed in many cases. Capital gains will not have been taxed at all. I’m sorry, the facts are not on your side. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/37 "2010-02-12T15:48:14Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Yes, it is earned income. And it has already been taxed as it was earned by the person doing the bequeathing. An inheritance tax is nothing but a double-dip by the government and should be eliminated entirely. Are you really, really going to contend that the value of an estate does not appreciate over time, and that there are not significant unrealized capital gains? Can you provide any sort of a cite for that? ---
**Author:** ![gravitycrash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@gravitycrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gravitycrash)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/38 "2010-02-12T15:48:36Z")
Let’s see, before we get to the estate tax we have sales tax, state and federal income tax, property tax (my personal favorite), capital gains tax and I’m sure that I’m missing a few along the way. I’ll admit that I don’t know what constitutes an estate but if it includes all assets then I could easily be taxed as rich when I retire in 20 or so years…hahaha, what a fucking joke. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/39 "2010-02-12T15:48:43Z")
> [@DanBlather](#): > > I love that you guys think that the major problem facing the country is that the rich pay too much in taxes. Not the deficit, healthcare, national security, civil rights, or jobs. If you look at the ACTUAL FACTS you will see that you policies have made things worse every time you tried them. Everyone makes mistakes, but it takes a conservative to make the same one over and over and over. The previous administration turned surpluses into deficits, let people fly planes into buildings, made New Orleans suffer while the head of FEMA ate at expensive restaurants and obsessed over his clothes, and then started a war that has cost billions, killed thousand of our finest, and has made our national security worse. Even if we graded on a curve we’d have to transport you on the short bus to the Republican Convention. Really, how stupid do you have to be to keep doing the same shit? Look shiny keys, niggers, fags. I’ve never understood why working class conservatives have such slavering adoration for the billionaires who constantly fuck them over. It’s like some kind of collective Stockholm Syndrome. The really ironic thing is that it runs so counter to the sentiments of what most of them claim as their own scriptural doctrines. Jesus exoriated the rich, despised the pursuit of wealth and said that rich people can’t go to Heaven. He also said to pay your taxes, even if you think the taxes are unfair. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694/40 "2010-02-12T15:49:05Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Yes, it is earned income. And it has already been taxed as it was earned by the person doing the bequeathing. An inheritance tax is nothing but a double-dip by the government and should be eliminated entirely. Again, if we eliminated the Estate tax you may pay more in taxes because the basis on capital gains will not be reset. For you conservatives I’ll put it this way: more \> less. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-harry-reid/528694.md?page=3)