# Fuck Hillary Clinton **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 20, 2008, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998 "2008-05-20T18:11:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/81 "2008-05-21T22:37:05Z")
The fucking balls on this woman! [Clinton compares the Florida and Michigan fight to civil rights movement](http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Clinton_compares_the_Florida_and_Michigan_fight_to_civil_rights_movement.html) > [@](#): > > Hillary Clinton compared her effort to seat Florida and Michigan delegates to epic American struggles, including those to free the slaves and win the right to vote for blacks and women. She is absolutely without shame. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/82 "2008-05-21T22:42:57Z")
Another hilarious thing about that Hillary for 44 page is that they tout themselves as evidence of the netroots support for Clinton. Under the date “Wednesday, May 21, 6:40 pm”, there’s the title “Hillary Poll Leads”. It hasn’t been updated since April 15. And it includes a poll showing Obama with a 20-point lead in North Carolina. Um, yeah, guys. Way to show netroots support for Clinton! Daniel ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/83 "2008-05-21T22:44:17Z")
[QUOTE=aldiboronti] The fucking balls on this woman! [Clinton compares the Florida and Michigan fight to civil rights movement](http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Clinton_compares_the_Florida_and_Michigan_fight_to_civil_rights_movement.html) She is absolutely without shame. [/QUOTE] Agreed. She’s acting like she was getting sprayed with fire hoses in Michigan to earn those votes when at the time she said the election in Michigan did not matter. And even if she prevails and gets these delegations seated, it doesn’t make a bit of difference she will still lose! She has had so many chances to get out with dignity. Now all I want for her is to get out and never come back. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/84 "2008-05-21T23:23:01Z")
[QUOTE=aldiboronti] The fucking balls on this woman! She is absolutely without shame. [/QUOTE] You beat me to it as well. I was going to steer clear of this thread, despite my antipathy for the woman, but this is truly remarkable. But a couple people said it better. [TNR](http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/05/21/clinton-s-shocking-florida-gambit.aspx): > [@](#): > > This gambit by Clinton is simply an attempt to steal the nomination. It’s obviously not going to work, because Democratic superdelegates don’t want to commit suicide. But this episode is very revealing about Clinton’s character. I try not to make moralistic characterological judgments about politicians, because all politicians compromise their ideals in the pursuit of power. There are no angels in this business. Clinton’s gambit, however, truly is breathtaking. > > If she’s consciously lying, it’s a shockingly cynical move. I don’t think she’s lying. I think she’s so convinced of her own morality and historical importance that she can whip herself into a moralistic fervor to support nearly any position that might benefit her, however crass and sleazy. It’s not just that she’s convinced herself it’s okay to try to steal the nomination, she has also appropriated the most sacred legacies of liberalism for her effort to do so. She is proving herself temperamentally unfit for the presidency. [Andrew Sullivan](http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/05/shameless-1.html#more): > [@](#): > > How do you respond to a sociopath like this? She agreed that Michigan and Florida should be punished for moving up their primaries. Obama took his name off the ballot in deference to their agreement and the rules of the party. That he should now be punished for playing by the rules and she should be rewarded for skirting them is unconscionable. > > I think she has now made it very important that Obama not ask her to be the veep. The way she is losing is so ugly, so feckless, so riddled with narcissism and pathology that this kind of person should never be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Yuck. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/85 "2008-05-21T23:27:33Z")
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] Clinton has repeatedly suggested that sexism is far more acceptable in our culture than racism is. **Liberal** , I think you’re proving her point here. Would you ever in a million years say the equivalent thing about a black candidate? [/quote] Yes, I would. If Omarosa were a candidate, I’d call her a bitch too. The only reason I call Hillary “bitch” is the same reason I call her “she”. Is it sexist to use the feminine pronoun to reference her? If not, then it’s not sexist to use feminine epithets. I use masculine ones on Bush, because he’s a dick. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/86 "2008-05-21T23:32:02Z")
[QUOTE=aldiboronti] The fucking balls on this woman! [Clinton compares the Florida and Michigan fight to civil rights movement](http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Clinton_compares_the_Florida_and_Michigan_fight_to_civil_rights_movement.html) [/QUOTE] Wow. Just, wow. How does this woman have any remaining supporters _at all_? Does she (and by extension they) have truly no shame? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/87 "2008-05-21T23:56:49Z")
[QUOTE=D-bear] And therein lies part of my problem. So many Democrats act like if you don’t goosestep to the tune being played by Mr. “I’ll just go over to Syria and talk to him in person”, you are an inconsequential piece of SHIT. [/QUOTE] Way overstated. It’s being willing to accept the idea of another Republican as president in 2009 that makes one an inconsequential piece of SHIT. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/88 "2008-05-22T00:00:04Z")
And just by the way…“goosestep”?..I mean, ah…“_goosestep_”?! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/89 "2008-05-22T00:19:54Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Yes, I would. If Omarosa were a candidate, I’d call her a bitch too. The only reason I call Hillary “bitch” is the same reason I call her “she”. Is it sexist to use the feminine pronoun to reference her? If not, then it’s not sexist to use feminine epithets. I use masculine ones on Bush, because he’s a dick. [/QUOTE] I quoted you calling Clinton a whore, not a bitch. I agree that “bitch” is the equivalent of “dick,” more or less (actually, “cunt” is the equivalent, for which reason I don’t think calling women “cunt” is any more sexist than calling guys “dick” is). Would it occur to you to call Obama a gigolo? Or is there something about Hillary that specifically makes referring to her sexuality more relevant? In any case, you know as well as I do that calling Omarosa a bitch isn’t the equivalency I was talking about. Pretending to ignorance doesn’t actually advance any position. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/90 "2008-05-22T00:26:35Z")
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] I quoted you calling Clinton a whore, not a bitch. I agree that “bitch” is the equivalent of “dick,” more or less (actually, “cunt” is the equivalent, for which reason I don’t think calling women “cunt” is any more sexist than calling guys “dick” is). Would it occur to you to call Obama a gigolo? Or is there something about Hillary that specifically makes referring to her sexuality more relevant? [/QUOTE] Plenty of people (myself included) call Jesse Jackson a fame whore. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/91 "2008-05-22T01:47:22Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] I use masculine ones on Bush, because he’s a dick. [/QUOTE] And yet, he’s also a pussy. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/92 "2008-05-22T10:20:07Z")
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] I quoted you calling Clinton a whore, not a bitch. I agree that “bitch” is the equivalent of “dick,” more or less (actually, “cunt” is the equivalent, for which reason I don’t think calling women “cunt” is any more sexist than calling guys “dick” is). Would it occur to you to call Obama a gigolo? Or is there something about Hillary that specifically makes referring to her sexuality more relevant? [/quote] I wouldn’t call Obama any such name, because he’s a gracious gentleman. But Al Sharpton, for example: I’d call him a pimp. > [@](#): > > In any case, you know as well as I do that calling Omarosa a bitch isn’t the equivalency I was talking about. Pretending to ignorance doesn’t actually advance any position. How am I supposed to know what you mean when you say “cunt” isn’t sexist but “whore” is just because you can’t think of a masculine equivalent? Anyway, your main point seems to be about “referring to her sexuality”. HER sexuality. If you don’t want me calling her names, just say so. But if you want me to be gender-neutral in referencing her, then do the same yourself and stop calling her “her”. And frankly, if the writer has to blame the reader for every fucking misunderstanding between them, then I think the writer should just stop writing. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/93 "2008-05-22T10:21:20Z")
[QUOTE=Biffy the Elephant Shrew] And yet, he’s also a pussy. [/QUOTE] And a monkey. Also a crouton. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/94 "2008-05-22T12:08:28Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] And a monkey. Also a crouton. [/QUOTE] Crouton? As in fried bread for salad? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/95 "2008-05-22T12:39:09Z")
[QUOTE=BobLibDem] Crouton? As in fried bread for salad? [/QUOTE] That’s right. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/96 "2008-05-22T12:46:21Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] That’s right. [/QUOTE] Color me whooshed. I had no idea salad ingredients were insulting. ---
**Author:** ![Jurph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/50afbb/32.png) [@Jurph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurph)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/97 "2008-05-22T12:50:01Z")
My main problem with Hillary is how she has gone about trying to get the nomination. First, she used her reputation for showing kindness to loyalty (and showing sharp knives to perceived defectors) to scare off other candidates. In the fall of 2007, the word was that she had issued subtle threats to big-money fundraisers that they would be “out of the loop” if they hedged their bets. Fundraisers were actually afraid to jump ship to Obama, lest her wrath be felt. This helped write the “inevitable” script – what could be more disenfranchising than that? It sounds like something a dispirited third-world voter might say: “Well, the General always wins, so why would I vote against him?” It was her supporters on the DNC who wrote the new proportional allocation rules, because they expected that she would be the one with the near-insurmountable lead. Her supporters also approved the rule to punish states that jumped the queue, guaranteeing a Mega Super Tuesday where only a national organization could win. National organizations take money, and she believed that she had monopolized the money supply. These two factors combined to subtly re-write the victory conditions: a blowout victory on Super Tuesday would create the kind of momentum that would be truly insurmountable. Michigan and Florida screwed it up a little, but she had her ace in the hole there, too: by leaving her name on the ballot she turned the Michigan votes into a nasty trap for anyone who would dare to build up a delegate lead on her. Those strategems safely employed, her national organization focused on winning the four pre-Super-Tuesday contests… and failed to do so. By Super Tuesday, their national organization was relying on name recognition to do most of their work for them. A few early stunners from Obama was all it took to wreck her plan – she had not bothered to set up a real national organization (because she did not expect to count every vote). Her presumptuousness and sense of entitlement to the office blinded her to the obvious truth. “Ready on day one” my ass – she’s ready to have power again, but has never once demonstrated to me that she understands how to effectively wield it. If there’s anything we don’t need after eight years of Bush, it’s a politician who wears shorts and flip-flops in a blizzard while assuring everyone that the sun is just about to come out again. Hillary, your victory speeches are each their own ‘Mission Accomplished’ embarrassment. It’s over; get out. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/98 "2008-05-22T15:28:53Z")
So she really is psychotic. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/99 "2008-05-22T15:49:31Z")
[QUOTE=BobLibDem] Color me whooshed. I had no idea salad ingredients were insulting. [/QUOTE] What do Hillary, Dubya, and croutons have in common? They’re all toast. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/449998/100 "2008-05-22T17:06:45Z")
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