# Fuck Hillary Clinton! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 5, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424 "2019-12-05T20:23:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/21 "2019-12-05T22:07:07Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Gee, I wonder why Bernie supporters might not feel welcome in the democratic party? Look. It’s either a Democrat - NO MATTER WHO IT IS - or 4 more years of Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/22 "2019-12-05T22:14:54Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Look. It’s either a Democrat - NO MATTER WHO IT IS - or 4 more years of Trump. Agreed, and I neither voted for Bernie in the primary nor Trump in the general. I voted for Clinton both times. But she lost the election to Trump for exactly 2 reasons: 1. the game is rigged thanks to a shitty system that doesn’t allocate votes fairly combined with years and years of gerrymandering 2. even still, Trump would have lost if Clinton was actually offering something that the American people genuinely wanted and could get excited about. Even while I voted for her, convinced that Trump would lose in a landslide, I knew that nobody was excited about what she was selling. At the end of the day, the Republicans fielded a weak candidate, and it was her election to lose. Blaming it on Sanders not endorsing her fast enough is ludicrous. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/23 "2019-12-05T22:15:11Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Why’d you leave off the beginning of that paragraph? that was the only one she named. And then she lists of a whole slew of other reasons. It was the Russians, it was Comey, it was Bernie, etc. I do think that the Comey’s letter, whatever it was, may have made enough of a difference in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan, but she should have been so far ahead that it would not have mattered. Maybe it had something to do with her positions and that she was just another neo-liberal who did not speak to a lot of voters. Now if she honestly believed in all the positions on her platform, you can’t blame her. I used to believe, and sometimes still do, that deep in her heart she is more progressive than she would appear. But just like Bill, this was pushed aside for cold political calculations. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/24 "2019-12-05T22:18:34Z")
That self righteous sanctimonious prick Comey was a factor too. And he still hasn’t had a proper come-uppance. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/25 "2019-12-05T22:21:30Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > That self righteous sanctimonious prick Comey was a factor too. And he still hasn’t had a proper come-uppance. He was a factor, and that was a very dirty trick. Hillary should still have beaten Trump by a landslide. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/26 "2019-12-05T22:22:27Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Bernie and his Bernie bros did fuck her over. He did “slow roll” his half hearted endorsement, and his bros did by and large either throw their votes away or not vote at all. > > If Bernie wins the Dem nomination, I will vote for him, because it’s him or Trump. But at this point, that is the **ONLY** reason. So Bernie is so far left that he is barely a Democrat, and yet his full-throated endorsement of a Democrat would have made the difference? The Bernie voters who did not come out would not have come out for any Democrat. The only reason they were interested was because of Bernie. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/27 "2019-12-05T22:22:49Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > He was a factor, and that was a very dirty trick. Hillary should still have beaten Trump by a landslide. Should have, I thought it was a slam dunk. Good thing you don’t pay me to think 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/28 "2019-12-05T23:24:13Z")
Every person is responsible for es own vote. The people who failed to vote for her helped Trump won. Clinton didn’t make them do that. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/29 "2019-12-05T23:39:21Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > 1. the game is rigged thanks to a shitty system that doesn’t allocate votes fairly combined with years and years of gerrymandering Except for Maine and Nebraska, how does gerrymandering affect a state’s EVs? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/30 "2019-12-05T23:43:50Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > He was a factor, and that was a very dirty trick. During the election cycle I would have disagree with you. Had he buried the investigation then the outrage would be that he was withholding vital information from the electorate viz. she may have committed illegal act. As a voter I should know if a candidate is being investigated and make up my mind on the facts I changed my mind when just before the election he brought the investigation to the forefront to reveal … nothing at all. As a Pub and a Hillary-Hater even I admit that last part was a dirty trick. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/31 "2019-12-05T23:51:33Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Good on her, I say. > > I agree: once is enough. > > Bernie made his point. The problem is, nobody wants Medicare for All. An arbitrarily selected minimum wage of $15 per hour for every employee in every business is unworkable and bad for business. And he’s suggesting tax hikes that everyone in their sane mind knows have no chance of passing. He’s a good senator, a pretty good grassroots organizer, and a great gadfly. But he’d be a shitty president and he needs to stop deluding his cult into believing that he’s a real democrat and that he has a chance of doing anything other than disrupting politics and getting Trump re-elected. Aye; well said. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/32 "2019-12-05T23:54:15Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > What could she possibly add to the campaign? She and Bill (and possibly Chelsea) are still excellent fundraisers and organizers. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/33 "2019-12-05T23:58:33Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Look. It’s either a Democrat - NO MATTER WHO IT IS - or 4 more years of Trump. I’m fucking voting for Cleetus Encephalitis the Blind Amelus Leper if that’s who’s running against Trump, ffs. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/34 "2019-12-06T00:01:35Z")
There have been many discussions here about why Hillary lost. Maybe we can change the direction of the thread. If Hillary is active in the campaign, will she help or hurt theDemocratic nominee? Or will it even matter? Very few people have not made up their minds about Trump. The best way I can see her helping is to increase Democratic turnout, and maybe that will happen. Maybe those who did not come out last time and now regret it, there must be a million of them, will “make it up to her.” BTW I regret the thread title, it was more than a little harsh. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/35 "2019-12-06T00:07:53Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > BTW I regret the thread title, it was more than a little harsh. Maybe ask a mod to change it, so you don’t get more useless drivebys like **Gatopescado** ’s in post #12 bro-ho-hoing about how “unfuckable” they think Clinton is. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/36 "2019-12-06T01:00:29Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Good on her, I say. > > I agree: once is enough. > > Bernie made his point. The problem is, nobody wants Medicare for All. An arbitrarily selected minimum wage of $15 per hour for every employee in every business is unworkable and bad for business. And he’s suggesting tax hikes that everyone in their sane mind knows have no chance of passing. He’s a good senator, a pretty good grassroots organizer, and a great gadfly. But he’d be a shitty president and he needs to stop deluding his cult into believing that he’s a real democrat and that he has a chance of doing anything other than disrupting politics and getting Trump re-elected. Agree. If he got the nomination I’d vote for him over Trump but if the nomination goes to someone else, I hope he gets on board early and works hard for the nominee at every opportunity. We can’t afford 4 more years of Trump. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/37 "2019-12-06T01:02:32Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Oh, please. It’s not about there being superdelegates to ensure she would win anyways; it’s about everyone knowing she would win before going into the vote. There’s a reason Bernie was her only serious opponent. No one wanted to derail the coronation. > > Don’t get me wrong, I still voted for her, and in a bizarro world where she’s the nominee in 2020 I would vote for her again, because she’s a million times better than Trump. But whining about how Sanders didn’t bend over quickly enough when she and the democratic establishment decided to fuck him is really bad form. Yeah, you mean it’s bad Bernie Sanders waited until 2020 to run a real fucking campaign. Everyone who knows politics understands that candidates (typically) don’t get the nomination on their first try; they have to lay down the groundwork for years. And considering that Bernie was running against not just Hillary Clinton but the entire Democratic party establishment, which included Barack Obama, one really should ask why he didn’t at least put together a little protest primary challenge against Obama in 2012, eh? It’s easy for someone like Bernie to trash Hillary Clinton, whose name is already trashed by years of anti-Clinton conspiracy theories and sexism, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/38 "2019-12-06T01:23:24Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Good on her, I say. > > I agree: once is enough. > > Bernie made his point. The problem is, nobody wants Medicare for All. An arbitrarily selected minimum wage of $15 per hour for every employee in every business is unworkable and bad for business. And he’s suggesting tax hikes that everyone in their sane mind knows have no chance of passing. He’s a good senator, a pretty good grassroots organizer, and a great gadfly. But he’d be a shitty president and he needs to stop deluding his cult into believing that he’s a real democrat and that he has a chance of doing anything other than disrupting politics and getting Trump re-elected. Wow, I wholly endorse everything you said here. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/39 "2019-12-06T01:23:38Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Yeah, you mean it’s bad Bernie Sanders waited until 2020 to run a real fucking campaign. Everyone who knows politics understands that candidates (typically) don’t get the nomination on their first try; they have to lay down the groundwork for years. And considering that Bernie was running against not just Hillary Clinton but the entire Democratic party establishment, which included Barack Obama, one really should ask why he didn’t at least put together a little protest primary challenge against Obama in 2012, eh? > > It’s easy for someone like Bernie to trash Hillary Clinton, whose name is already trashed by years of anti-Clinton conspiracy theories and sexism, I guess. So now Bernie is a sexist opportunist who pounced on poor defenceless Hillary Clinton? You’ve got to be kidding me. THAT is the most sexist, patronizing bullshit I’ve ever heard. Hillary Clinton was the wrong candidate to run for president, but within the democratic party, she was one of the most formidable establishment figures out there. She’s an incredibly skilled politician and was extremely well connected. Painting her as vulnerable to being primaried is absolutely ridiculous. And when did Sanders ever trash her using conspiracy theories and sexism? He attacked her policies, as he should have, and got a conversation going that’s having a huge impact on the field of primary candidates out there now. ---
**Author:** ![Taesahnim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/taesahnim/32/84_2.png) [@Taesahnim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taesahnim)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424/40 "2019-12-06T01:38:53Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Look. It’s either a Democrat - NO MATTER WHO IT IS - or 4 more years of Trump. I’ll take four more years of Trump, please. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-hillary-clinton/844424.md?page=3)