# Fuck Joe the Plumber and his anger **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2008, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783 "2008-12-11T22:59:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/41 "2008-12-12T08:08:07Z")
> [@Dob](#): > > HOLY FUCK STICK! This nimrod has a book?? Is it a pop-up? Large print? What the fuck does he have to say that could fill a book? You know a book you should read?? It’s called “How to get a plumber’s license, and GO FUCK OFF!” Oprah had it in her book club last month, it should be easy to find. I just checked Amazon and Joe the Plumber’s book is coming from PearlGate. It’s a small publisher that just started in August and their only other book is an inspirational religious novel called Things Forgotten. Basically, this is a half step away from self publishing it. No one will buy it and no one will read it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/42 "2008-12-12T09:12:28Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > I’ve come to realize that it’s just pointless to “debate” people whose minds are already made up. Sadly, that is what the SDMB has sunk to. I’d say it’s pointless to debate with someone as stupid as yourself. Keep up the good fight chester. I was hoping you’d be willing to think for a second, but go on living in your fantasy world. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/43 "2008-12-12T10:21:06Z")
Can’t we all just ignore him until he crawls back under whatever rock he came from? ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/44 "2008-12-12T10:57:37Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Can’t we all just ignore him until he crawls back under whatever rock he came from? I’m not kidding. Who do you mean? **Wierddave** or **Joe the Plumber**? ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/45 "2008-12-12T11:21:29Z")
> [@Jolly\_Roger](#): > > I’m not kidding. Who do you mean? **Wierddave** or **Joe the Plumber**? Heh. Honestly, I don’t know enough about \*\*Weirddave \*\*to make any call there. I was talking about Joe the (pretend) plumber. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/46 "2008-12-12T12:22:44Z")
Just wanted to be sure since people seem to be dumping on WD here. I don’t agree with him, but I wasn’t sure what you meant. Oh, and fuck Joe the Plumber. Anyone who takes this guy seriously probably thinks Rush Limbaugh is speaking holy gospel. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/47 "2008-12-12T12:50:26Z")
Why are people mad at Joe the Plumber? It’s not at all unusual for two allied public officials to break over a critical national issue like the bailout, even when they’ve been on the campaign trail together working jointly for each other’s election to national office. Hey, that’s how it goes sometimes. Why can’t Joe the Plumber enjoy the same privilege to criticize a close colleague that every other Senator or other national public figure has? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/48 "2008-12-12T13:03:07Z")
Why in the world would you be mad at Joe the Plumber? Sure, he’s an idiot that no one should pay attention to. That means you should be mad at the media that put his face on TV and pay him to put his name on books. This is like being angry at Paris Hilton. It doesn’t compute. Sure, there’s no reason in the world for Paris Hilton or Joe the Plumber to be famous, but why get angry at the faux-celebrities themselves? You’re complaining that our nation’s faux-celebrities and fame-whores aren’t worth paying attention to. Well, duh. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/49 "2008-12-12T13:27:18Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > What Obama proposed when campaigning has about as much in common with how Ronald Reagan governed as shit does with steak, _and you damn well know it_. [hijack] **Gyrate’s Law of Opposite Assertion: Any argument which includes the assertion that the opposing party secretly agrees with the speaker may safely be dismissed as fundamentally flawed.** Seriously, people, don’t tell me what I “know”, especially when I’ve been saying the opposite the whole time. I’ve seen **Starving Artist** do this more than once and it appears every now and then in other posts by other people, and in all cases it indicates that the poster doesn’t have a proper rebuttal but “knows” that _we_ “know” that he’s right and are merely clinging to our opposing position out of sheer spite and intellectual dishonesty. If you can’t argue your case without including the assumption that your opponents secretly agree with you, you’re not very good at arguing. [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/50 "2008-12-12T14:25:17Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Third, we have people like Really Not All That Bright. RNATB has grasped the technique of reducing things to the absurd. He says: “Sure, WD, Obama is a socialist - but so is everyone else. When you want to stop providing any government services, let us know. Until then, you’re a democratic socialist too.” He’s actually put his foot on the real issue here. The question is not whether society should accept some socialistic principles, it’s how much socialistic principles should it accept? > > \ > > Reducing the question to “you believe that society and government should provide some basic services, you’re a socialist!” is stupid, counterproductive and insane. And yet, reducing things to the absurd is your stock in trade. Your definition of socialist is “anyone who favors providing more government services than you believe are necessary”. I was particularly tickled by this: > [@](#): > > Police, fire, transportation…all of these are things that a modern society should accept as a matter of course. Going beyond that, however…ahh, that’s where things get sticky. Every other developed country in the world guarantees its citizens healthcare, but apparently that’s not something a modern society should accept, because… you don’t like it. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/51 "2008-12-12T14:40:13Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > I just have a simple, natural urge not to get involved in discussions with people who are not looking to an honest debate (which could have happened on this site 10 years ago), but to browbeat anyone who disagrees with them. You’re defending Joe the Plumber and calling Obama a socialist. Ten years ago, **Manhattan** would be laughing his ass off and telling you you’re a moron. Sean Hannity talking points are no substitute for intelligent debate. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/52 "2008-12-12T14:45:55Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > I just have a simple, natural urge not to get involved in discussions with people who are not looking to an honest debate OK, let’s have an honest debate. Explain how Obama will distribute the wealth more than any of the past four presidents. ---
**Author:** ![MovingTarget](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/edb3f5/32.png) [@MovingTarget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovingTarget)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/53 "2008-12-12T16:14:21Z")
Originally posted by **pseudotriton ruber ruber** > [@](#): > > Why are people mad at Joe the Plumber? It’s not at all unusual for two allied public officials to break over a critical national issue like the bailout, even when they’ve been on the campaign trail together working jointly for each other’s election to national office. Hey, that’s how it goes sometimes. Why can’t Joe the Plumber enjoy the same privilege to criticize a close colleague that every other Senator or other national public figure has? But see, this is why people are pissed off, JTP isn’t a close colleague, or public official, or Senator, or national public figure really. He’s just some dumbass schmuck that happened to be in the right place at the wrong time and got swept up into this whole shit storm of politics. He should be listened to no more than that crazy neighbor that lets their lawn grow and keeps all the garden gnomes all over the place. And I do tend to agree that the media is deserving more of the hatred and contempt than JTP, but he’s still an asshole idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Dob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Dob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dob)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/54 "2008-12-12T16:19:26Z")
> [@](#): > > Why in the world would you be mad at Joe the Plumber? I’m not sure mad covers it. McCain has served his country almost his entire life, and while I dont agree with his politics I feel the man deserves a measure of respect. Especially from somebody who owes so much to him. He’s basically stabbing McCain in the back, its a low dirty thing to do and nothing annoys me more than backstabbers. If Joe had never agreed with McCain and had said so, then it wouldn’t bother me so much. But to campaign, hug, and suck up the attention like he has done and then turn and do this??? Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/55 "2008-12-12T17:04:38Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > OK, let’s have an honest debate. Let’s make **Weirddave** start his own thread on “Obama Is A Socialist” instead of hijacking this one. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/56 "2008-12-12T17:16:38Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > … Obama is a Socialist. He is, always has been, and always will be. Please, please, please keep saying things like this! Obama’s approval rating is currently at 79%. The more work conservatives do to link the words “Obama” and “socialist” in people’s minds, the more palatable they make socialism to the nation as a whole: “Hmmmm. Rush keeps saying Obama is a socialist. But I like what Obama’s doing and saying. He’s a smart guy and his policies make sense. Maybe there’s something worthwhile about socialism after all … .” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/57 "2008-12-12T17:23:58Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > Let’s make **Weirddave** start his own thread on “Obama Is A Socialist” instead of hijacking this one. Great idea! ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/58 "2008-12-12T17:45:35Z")
> [@Pochacco](#): > > Please, please, please keep saying things like this! > > Obama’s approval rating is currently at 79%. The more work conservatives do to link the words “Obama” and “socialist” in people’s minds, the more palatable they make socialism to the nation as a whole: > > “Hmmmm. Rush keeps saying Obama is a socialist. But I like what Obama’s doing and saying. He’s a smart guy and his policies make sense. Maybe there’s something worthwhile about socialism after all … .” 😉 Yep, because the same thing happened to the word “conservative”. In the 60s and 70s “conservative” was a dirty word, Nixon and Ford never identified themselves as conservatives, but that changed in the 80s. “Wow, Ronald Reagan is a right-wing conservative? Huh. I guess I’m conservative too.” And the opposite is happening right now: “George Bush is a conservative? Well, whatever that is, I’m the opposite of that. The opposite of conservative is socialist you say? OK, I’m a socialist!” And it’s doubly funny since in the past few months the Bush administration has nationalized the financial sector and is about to nationalize the automotive industry. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/59 "2008-12-12T17:48:53Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > You really must know read much that I’ve had to say on this matter, because I can tell you exactly why McCain lost, And little of it has to do with Barry, the lions share of the fault lies squarely on McCain’s shoulders. > Dio, what you’re lying about, and attempting to obscure with your disingenuous comments about taxes and Ronald Reagan, is the fact that Obama is a Socialist. He is, always has been, and always will be. _From his own writings and statements_ it is obvious that European style Democratic Socialism is the system of government that he favors. He attempts to obscure it because he knows that a majority of Americans wouldn’t buy into it, people like you come into place like there and do the same thing, because you know the same. What Obama proposed when campaigning has about as much in common with how Ronald Reagan governed as shit does with steak, _and you damn well know it_. The epiphany of the JTP clip wasn’t that Obama was lying or posturing or pandering for votes, it’s that for once he was telling the truth. Says a lot about your guy that you, and his campaign, and his supporters, seem compelled to spend so much time and energy attempting to obscure that simple fact. Barack Hussein Osama Achmed (bomb tossing America hating freedom hating) Obama is a Commie too? Mommy hold me, I’m afraid of the bad man. Wow. You really are “out there”. I would say you should quite while you’re ahead, but it’s already too late for that. Oh by the way, screw Joe the Pumber. I could say more but he isn’t important enough to rate any more attention than to say “screw him”. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783/60 "2008-12-12T17:53:40Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Of all the insults in that lil’ slap upside the head, I think pulling someone’s card on being ‘faux-stoic’ is the cruelest of all. [hijack]Somebody had to do it. I’m tired of all the sore losers “calmly” and “with dignity, class and tolerance” deciding it’s time to talk about something else and telling everybody else to just move on simply because they’re seething at their lose and can’t hardly (intentional sic) stand anything that keeps that fact in their face. Well, the “calmly” and “with dignity, class and tolerance” may not have been present in this particularly case, but you know what I mean.[/hijack] SCREW JOE! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-joe-the-plumber-and-his-anger/476783.md?page=4)