# Fuck Kristi "Puppy Killer" Noem (descriptions of animal cruelty in OP) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 27, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808 "2024-04-27T00:22:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/181 "2024-04-28T18:08:02Z")
It’s not always a dog. The Clintons had a cat, Socks. Jefferson had a pet mockingbird. And T. Roosevelt’s kids had guinea pigs, a macaw, rabbits, a badger, and at least one pony, Algonquin, who famously rode in the elevator when two of the boys brought him to their brother’s second floor room when he had measles and needed cheering. The Trumps had no pets. Neither did Polk or Jackson. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/182 "2024-04-28T18:19:31Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > the now presumably adult Kassidy Noem turned 30 last week. > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > people routinely hunt deer with shotguns. IANA hunter, but I’ve always thought that hunters using shotguns on deer, use slugs and not shot. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/183 "2024-04-28T18:32:26Z")
It can be slugs, but “buckshot” is called that for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/184 "2024-04-28T18:35:54Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > IANA hunter, > [@Chronos](#): > > “buckshot” is called that for a reason. I also don’t own a shotgun. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/185 "2024-04-28T18:47:21Z")
She wrote it to say “vote for me; I’m capable of making tough decisions.” …appealing to those who can’t tell the difference between “forced to make the best of a bad situation, mindful of all the details and long-term effects,” and “short-sighted, ham-fisted reactions” E.g. machine gun nests on the Rio Grande are the elegant solution to the US’s immigration and illegal drug situations. ---
**Author:** ![bobsmom101](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobsmom101/32/2867_2.png) [@bobsmom101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobsmom101)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/186 "2024-04-28T18:58:52Z")
This is a slight deviation from the OP, but I volunteer for a local animal rescue group. The founder and many (most?) of the other volunteers, almost all female, are hardcore MAGA, judging from their FB posts and car bumper stickers. These are people who care passionately about animals, to the point of devoting considerable time, energy, and emotions to nursing them back to health and getting them adopted. I remember reading somewhere (maybe on the SD) that this seems to be standard politics in the rescue community. I don’t engage politically with the other volunteers, but I suspect the rationale may be “animals good, foreigners bad.” Anyone else with insights into the MAGA animal-lover mindset? ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/187 "2024-04-28T19:11:04Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > IANA hunter, but I’ve always thought that hunters using shotguns on deer, use slugs and not shot. It’s still a shotgun, though, in either case. Birdshot would definitely be the wrong ammo to load one with for deer. I’m not a hunter, either; though I have friends/hunters who hunt my land. But there was a bit of a commotion around here some years back when NYState decided to make it legal to hunt deer with rifles, and not only with shotguns, in this area. (Rifle bullets carry further, and are therefore more likely to hit the wrong being.) > [@bobsmom101](#): > > Anyone else with insights into the MAGA animal-lover mindset? IME animal-loving is orthagonal to politics. At least, it has been so far. I hope to hell they don’t manage to politicize it. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/188 "2024-04-28T19:16:16Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > when NYState decided to make it legal to hunt deer with rifles, and not only with shotguns Interesting as in the UK the law says the opposite you must use a rifle not a shotgun (except for certain circumstances where it’s permissable for a property owner, and the property owner only, to use a shotgun to prevent serious property damage, though they have to prove the damage was caused by deer) ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/189 "2024-04-28T19:19:56Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > The Trumps had no pets. [cough]Eric[cough, cough] ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/190 "2024-04-28T19:20:12Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > IME animal-loving is orthagonal to politics. At least, it has been so far. I hope to hell they don’t manage to politicize it. It sure as hell should be politicized when it comes to laws about animal welfare. I mentioned before that animal welfare laws in Germany got reformed some years ago, legally turning animals from mere objects to a state where unreasonably killing them, let alone torturing them, became harshly punished crimes. I hope the same will happen everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/191 "2024-04-28T19:33:22Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > Interesting as in the UK the law says the opposite you must use a rifle not a shotgun That is interesting, as isn’t the UK in general more densely populated? In the USA it depends on where you are – in NYState it depends on where you are in the state – and it’s been my understanding that it has to do with risk to other humans in the area because, again, rifle bullets carry further than shotgun shot. > [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > It sure as hell should be politicized when it comes to laws about animal welfare. It should not be politicized in the sense that whether one is for or against animal welfare laws becomes decided by whether one identifies as a Republican or as a Democrat. That’s exactly how to prevent such laws from happening. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/192 "2024-04-28T19:33:58Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > > when NYState decided to make it legal to hunt deer with rifles, and not only with shotguns > > Interesting as in the UK the law says the opposite you must use a rifle not a shotgun (except for certain circumstances where it’s permissable for a property owner, and the property owner only, to use a shotgun to prevent serious property damage, though they have to prove the damage was caused by deer) The rifle vs shotgun laws have more to do with how far the bullet will go rather than what it does to the animal. There is no rifle hunting (other than black powder) allowed in New Jersey. Too many people. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/193 "2024-04-28T19:34:54Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > It should not be politicized in the sense that whether one is for or against animal welfare laws becomes decided by whether one identifies as a Republican or as a Democrat. That’s exactly how to prevent such laws from happening. OK, got you. Yes, this shouldn’t be another point of polarization. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/194 "2024-04-28T20:20:26Z")
🤣 🤣 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/195 "2024-04-28T20:53:23Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I thought it was Mike Huckabee who put the dog in a carrier on the car’s roof. No, _his_ sons tortured and killed (?) a puppy(ies). IIRC they got the same kind of “Christian” punishment – this being Arkansas – that Josh Duggar got when he molested his sisters. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/196 "2024-04-28T21:16:35Z")
Well, that’s offensive. We do have laws in Arkansas about torturing and killing animals, you know. And child sexual abuse. Incestuous or other. Huckabee and his family are all dolts. How he got into the Governors office still flummoxes me. And as a family business, how his daughter got there, I just don’t understand it. She was an awful teenager. And skated through college. A disgusting human being. Yet, there she stands at her podium, sticking it to regular Arkansans. . This Kristi person should be arrested for killing the dog. I do believe it’s against the law. Discharging a weapon in an illegal area, at least. If I was a prosecutor in that area I’d dig through law books til I found a law she broke. And convince a judge to swear out a warrant. Despicable. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/197 "2024-04-28T21:27:15Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > We do have laws in Arkansas about torturing and killing animals, you know. And child sexual abuse. Incestuous or other. But both of these “criminals” got off with a slap on the wrist. It’s more politics than the state. I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/198 "2024-04-28T22:08:57Z")
Noem seems to have recognized the shit she stepped in – she’s now on Twitter trying to soft pedal the story as a sad but necessary choice. She is, predictably, getting roasted. > ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/199 "2024-04-28T22:14:40Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > This Kristi person should be arrested for killing the dog. I do believe it’s against the law. Discharging a weapon in an illegal area, at least. I assumed this was on her property and I would think most farmers/ranchers would say it is sometimes necessary to put down animals on their property and would be very upset at a law that would make that a criminal act. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/200 "2024-04-28T22:17:06Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > This Kristi person should be arrested for killing the dog. I do believe it’s against the law. Discharging a weapon in an illegal area, at least. AIUI, the dog shooting happened 15-ish years ago, so very likely past the statute of limitations. And even if not, the prosecution would have to find those workers who witnessed the deed, and that would be virtually impossible. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808.md?page=11)