# Fuck Kristi "Puppy Killer" Noem (descriptions of animal cruelty in OP) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 27, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808 "2024-04-27T00:22:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/401 "2024-05-01T20:25:53Z")
Does anybody remember DAF (Deutsch-Amerikanische Freundschaft) and their hit “[Tanz den Mussolini](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VboOfyEH7WM)”? This was the [original 1980 version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYcUGO-ISXQ). Thinking about the moves of an orange politician I wonder why this has not had a bigger revival. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/402 "2024-05-01T23:07:58Z")
Kimberly Guilfoyle thinks that Kristi was sabotaged, and somebody slipped the puppy story into her book. > ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/403 "2024-05-01T23:44:45Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > In fact, I can’t think of a single dog breed bred or trained to kill the birds themselves. Cocker spaniels. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/404 "2024-05-01T23:51:30Z")
Dogs and cats both go into point, then proceeded to pounce. A shock collar interrupts this, and they stay in point until you command them to flush the covey. They’ll naturally chew the bird after retrieving it, and there’s probably a high-tech fix for that; but a rubber band with thumbtacks around the bird is the traditional method. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/405 "2024-05-01T23:51:54Z")
🤦‍♂️ Noem has already Tweeted (Xd) about this and she was not denying any of it. She was trying to justify it. How Guilfoyle ever passed the Bar exam is beyond me much less managing to become a DA. Boggles the mind. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/406 "2024-05-01T23:56:24Z")
KG -who Don Jr.’s kids call “the witch that stole our mommy” - is just mad that Kristi revealed the ending to her Princess and the Puppy children’s book. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/407 "2024-05-01T23:59:04Z")
'Fake News! My Princess dispatches her puppy with an AR like a real American.` ~ KG ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/408 "2024-05-02T03:25:14Z")
Hmm, not that I’ve heard. Pointing, flushing, and retrieving, is what I remembered from my dog book reading days. Can’t seem to link but google seems to agree with me. Maybe when they hunt rodents/rabbits? It doesn’t make sense to me, because a small prey animal killed by a dog wouldn’t be fit to eat. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/409 "2024-05-02T04:01:23Z")
My goodness, Kimberly Guilfoyle’s face has become…off-putting. Even if she’s going for “idiot clown villain,” she needs to dial it back a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/410 "2024-05-02T04:27:47Z")
Totally agree. Shades of Tammy Faye coming thru. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/411 "2024-05-02T05:04:52Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > From the full passage in the book it sounds like this dog was attacking people as well as the chickens (and no-one seems to care about the chickens incidentally), so it seems she put down a dangerous dog. > > […] > > I just don’t get why this thing is so much worse than the other things. Is it that it’s a dog? Is it that it’s _her_ dog? ⁢ It’s that it’s a puppy who was killed for not having yet been sufficiently trained. (In the breed in question, 14 months is still a puppy.) The actions of the dog are not abnormal or particularly dangerous. You have to train them not to attack the birds and just track them. (And her attempt with a shock collar and just letting it hang out with trained dogs is not remotely sufficient.) She tried to portray this as a dog who she had no choice but to kill, but that’s not what is there. It’s a puppy who the family had bonded with. (Hence her daughter’s questions.) And, yes, domestic dogs are treated differently than wild animals. You’re expected to try other things before just killing them. That’s why she had to try and make it seem like she had no choice. And, then killing a goat for being a goat (and not, say, for food) also confirmed this interpretation. As she says, she hated those animals. And hate is a lousy reason to kill. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/412 "2024-05-02T09:04:48Z")
I’ll be honest, when I first heard this story I was thinking about an Old Yeller or even Cujo situation with an aggressive dog that went after other animals and bit people. That kind of dog might need to be humanely euthanized (which can mean something different to a farmer in South Dakota). However, apparently the biggest problem was not that the dog was vicious but that it was an excitable puppy. She tells how happy the day was on the hunt even while misbehaving. Maybe it was untrainable. There are better answers than shooting it. Free to good home: Dog, answers to Cricket. This is an active rambunctious puppy who is difficult to train. Has been known to kill chickens. Recommend experienced owner with no small pets, birds or small children. Contact at xxxxxx. See, that took a minute or two and I would bet it would get responses even with the warnings. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/413 "2024-05-02T09:11:14Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > See, that took a minute or two and I would bet it would get responses even with the warnings. Especially if she had attached the picture of Cricket posted above. She was a cutie. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/414 "2024-05-02T09:36:14Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Free to good home: > Dog, answers to Cricket. This is an active rambunctious puppy who is difficult to train. Has been known to kill chickens. Recommend experienced owner with no small pets, birds or small children. Contact at xxxxxx. > > See, that took a minute or two and I would bet it would get responses even with the warnings. Absolutely correct. Yes, if you put a picture of Cricket with the offer, somebody would be picking that dog up within the hour. She had such a sweet face. I am still so angry over this story, this 20-year-old story, and it becomes vivid every time I think of it. God damn Noem. Poor Cricket. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/415 "2024-05-02T10:26:46Z")
My father used to train black Labradors for retrieving. Dad hunted ducks. When our family got a dog, when I was 6, Dad knew of no other way to train the dog. So, he did. Our miniature poodle never hunted ducks, but could sit and stay, come on a whistle, walk to heel, chase a frisbee, and be otherwise, a well-trained black Lab, in spite of being a miniature poodle. In other words, a fine family pet. We had cats after that poodle went naturally, and they lived good long lives. You don’t throw away animals, as Ms. Moem apparently did. Once you take on the responsibility for them, they are yours until the end of their natural lives. If you do not choose to take on the responsibility for them, you can look for willing owners or you can give them up to a shelter. Ms. Noem chose what to me is a cruel and unthinkable option. May she rot in hell. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/416 "2024-05-02T11:17:31Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Free to good home: > Dog, answers to Cricket. This is an active rambunctious puppy who is difficult to train. Has been known to kill chickens. Recommend experienced owner with no small pets, birds or small children. Contact at xxxxxx. > > See, that took a minute or two and I would bet it would get responses even with the warnings. Ah, but you’re not worried about the political fallout of “she abandoned a puppy”. How that’s worse than _killing_ the puppy, though, is beyond me. I’m not a magalogician. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/417 "2024-05-02T15:59:07Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > How that’s worse than _killing_ the puppy, though, is beyond me. It’s about the cruelty. This shows she is strong, and the MAGAts love this kind of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/418 "2024-05-02T16:34:59Z")
Nope. Turns out this is a loser even in MAGA world (with some especially psycho exceptions). Reporting from insiders say her chances for VP were always slim, but they’re now zero. Even Trump understands that people love dogs. Yes, that crowd loves cruelty—directed toward the people they hate. Leave puppies out of it. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/419 "2024-05-02T18:14:05Z")
Now her story is that she had to murder this puppy to protect her children. WON’T ANYONE PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!?!? > **[Noem says she shot ‘extremely dangerous’ dog to protect her children](https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4638343-kristi-noem-dog-shooting-defense-protect-children/amp/)** > > South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R), who has been under the microscope this week for an anecdote about killing her dog, defended her actions Wednesday, saying she shot the “dangerous” pup… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/420 "2024-05-02T18:16:58Z")
She’s just a basic MAGAt liar. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808.md?page=22)