# Fuck Kristi "Puppy Killer" Noem (descriptions of animal cruelty in OP) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 27, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808 "2024-04-27T00:22:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/601 "2024-05-18T23:01:16Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Trump vodka, shotguns, and the leash. Excellent! ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/602 "2024-05-19T20:54:36Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > The Dems sidelined The Crazy after Mondale got crushed by Reagan in 1984. So this is a tangent to a tangent, but what did Mondale do to qualify as ‘crazy’? I thought he was solidly mainstream liberal, just slightly left of center. I mean he wasn’t proposing the workers should seize control of the means of production or anything ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/603 "2024-05-20T00:53:03Z")
Mondale was a solid liberal, but after he was annihilated by Reagan in 1984, the Democrats concluded that the New Deal coalition was dead and started to seriously retool. The result was the ascendancy of New Democrats like Bill Bradley, Al Gore, and Bill Clinton. Center left technocrats took over, displacing liberal scolds. Mondale actually didn’t do that bad once incumbency and the economy were factored in, but that wasn’t widely understood at the time. Dukakis on the other hand did terribly against Bush the elder. **Tune in, turn on, drop out** What about the crazy? [In the furthest extremes, it’s easy to demonstrate the imbalance. Liberal terrorist groups](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-politics-violence/) existed in the 1970s but died out; conservative hate groups gained ground starting in the 1990s. Conspiratorial leftie ideas from the 1970s included contentions like the Peace Corps was largely a front for the CIA, brainwashing is a thing and is widespread, subliminal advertising is effective, the personal is the political (as opposed to the political being largely political), and the migration of JFK assassination theories from being leftie based to the land of QAnon. There have always been crazies on both sides, but they were sidelined on the left starting in the 1980s. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/604 "2024-05-20T01:15:05Z")
Mondale was crazy for thinking he could get elected with a woman VP in 1980. Sorry, I call 'em like I see 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/605 "2024-05-20T01:34:32Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Mondale was crazy for thinking he could get elected with a woman VP in 1980. \*1984 ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/606 "2024-05-20T01:51:17Z")
Touche. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/607 "2024-05-20T01:53:37Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Mondale was crazy for thinking he could get elected Nobody was going to beat Reagan in 84. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/608 "2024-05-20T02:05:51Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > **Tune in, turn on, drop out** > What about the crazy? [In the furthest extremes, it’s easy to demonstrate the imbalance. Liberal terrorist groups](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-politics-violence/) existed in the 1970s but died out; conservative hate groups gained ground starting in the 1990s. Conspiratorial leftie ideas from the 1970s included contentions like the Peace Corps was largely a front for the CIA, brainwashing is a thing and is widespread, subliminal advertising is effective, the personal is the political (as opposed to the political being largely political), and the migration of JFK assassination theories from being leftie based to the land of QAnon. I get there are indeed crazies on the left as on the right (as I’ve said elsewhere, prior to the GOP adopting it as mainstream policy during the COVID crisis, anti-vax craziness tended left more than right) but how were they associated Mondale? (In any way other than such craziness is associated with every Democratic nominee and incumbent by the GOP claiming they are some where to the left of Lenin and a fully paid up member of the Weathermen) ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/609 "2024-05-20T02:18:40Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > I get there are indeed crazies on the left as on the right (as I’ve said elsewhere, prior to the GOP adopting it as mainstream policy during the COVID, anti-vax craziness tended left more than right) but how were they associated Mondale? They aren’t. But after around 1984 the US center left curbed the crazy on their side. Mondale wasn’t crazy; he’s just a way of dating the process. The difficulty is documenting leftie crazy from the pre-Mondale era: mediocre thinking tends to be forgotten. I found [this 1995 dissertation](https://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/14019/) to be helpful in producing examples (thanks to perplexity.ai for the lead). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/610 "2024-05-20T02:45:56Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > I get there are indeed crazies on the left as on the right This is what makes me crazy. ‘Perfect is the enemy of the good.’ Yes, I’d like to have all of the Liberal things I want. But I’d rather get _something_ – ‘eat away at the edges’ as it were – _progress_ than to get nothing. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/611 "2024-05-20T07:02:22Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Yes, I’d like to have all of the Liberal things I want. But I’d rather get _something_ – ‘eat away at the edges’ as it were – _progress_ than to get nothing. The face of the current progressive/left in America, ![](https://media.tenor.com/a6F8pvhzP7IAAAAe/willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-veruca-salt.png) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/612 "2024-05-20T14:06:00Z")
And that’s why we can’t progress. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/613 "2024-05-21T04:15:33Z")
_(The link is to news article on AOL.)_ And if you think cruelty is not the point, then [38% of South Dakotans have you let you know otherwise](https://www.aol.com/news/almost-40-percent-south-dakotans-000721209.html). > Nearly 40 percent of South Dakota residents said Gov. Kristi Noem’s (R) [shooting of her dog](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4646603-noem-i-love-dogs-puppy-shooting-controversy-cricket/) was justified after the governor faced backlash over sharing the story in her new memoir, according to a new poll. But here’s the money quote from that article. > Most surveyed Democrats, or nearly 90 percent, said the shooting was unjustified, while 22 percent of Republicans said the same. More than half of surveyed Republicans, or about 58 percent, said it was justified, while nearly 11 percent of Democrats felt the same. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/614 "2024-05-21T04:31:30Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > And if you think cruelty is not the point, then [38%](https://www.aol.com/news/almost-40-percent-south-dakotans-000721209.html) In a MAGA state that votes Trump by over 60% those numbers are pretty damning for her ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/615 "2024-05-21T04:43:22Z")
58% of the republicans surveyed said they’re cool with her dispatching the dog. That’s mighty close to 60%. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/616 "2024-05-21T05:02:14Z")
I’m surprised she didn’t poll higher with republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/617 "2024-05-22T15:52:39Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > In a MAGA state that votes Trump by over 60% those numbers are pretty damning for her > [@Monty](#): > > 58% of the republicans surveyed said they’re cool with her dispatching the dog. That’s mighty close to 60%. Those are two different statistics. One is “60% of state voters” and the other is “58% of Republicans”. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/618 "2024-05-22T16:39:45Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Those are two different statistics. One is “60% of state voters” and the other is “58% of Republicans”. Both those numbers are really bad for Noem. Remember this is Montana I’d bet any manner of MAGA bs, e.g. Biden stole the 2020 election, J6 was a MAGA false flag, etc. gets better numbers than that. Hell I’d bet you can find more Montanans to agree that the Biden’s are kidnapping children and eating them than agree she did the right thing by shooting her dog ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/619 "2024-05-22T17:31:43Z")
South Dakota, thankyouverymuch! Montana has its issues, of course, but she’s not one of them. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/620 "2024-05-22T17:49:26Z")
Ooops my bad. Those big square mountain-y states are all the same 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808.md?page=32)