# Fuck Kristi "Puppy Killer" Noem (descriptions of animal cruelty in OP) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 27, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808 "2024-04-27T00:22:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2025, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/661 "2025-05-21T16:15:28Z")
I heard part of that on NPR a couple nights ago, with Noem saying that _habeas corpus_ is a right granted to the President. Hassan should have let her run with that. Get Noem on the record saying it’s a sacred right enshrined in the Constitution, and should never be suspended under any circumstances. Let her find out later what she was defending. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2025, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/662 "2025-05-21T21:27:14Z")
Why? She’s already on the record defining habeas corpus as: [Under questioning, Kristi Noem can’t define habeas corpus : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2025/05/20/nx-s1-5405144/habeas-corpus-noem-dhs-senate) > The secretary responded: “Habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country.” > > In reality, is a bedrock constitutional legal principle that safeguards individuals from unlawful imprisonment by enabling them to petition the court to review the legality of their detention. You can’t possibly give a more wrong answer than that. It’s literally the opposite of what it means. When the head of the DHS can’t define habeas corpus, a right going back to the Magna Fucking Catra, without giving a 1984 definition, things are truly fucked. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2025, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/663 "2025-05-21T21:42:35Z")
Knowledge of and respect for civil rights isn’t exactly a thing at any level of law enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/664 "2025-05-22T00:09:18Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Why? She’s already on the record defining habeas corpus as: > > [Under questioning, Kristi Noem can’t define habeas corpus : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2025/05/20/nx-s1-5405144/habeas-corpus-noem-dhs-senate) > > > The secretary responded: “Habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country.” Yes, exactly. If that’s what Noem thinks habeas corpus means, Sen. Hassan should have followed up with something like “should habeas corpus ever be suspended?” Presumably, Noem would have answered “no, never.” Keep asking questions like that; get Krisiti Noem on the record as a passionate supporter of the right of habeas corpus. If she later finds out what habeas corpus really means, leave it up to her to admit it. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/665 "2025-05-22T03:43:07Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > If she later finds out what habeas corpus really means, leave it up to her to admit it. Did we watch the same senate floor footage? What is there to possibly gain by allowing Noem to continue rambling on about her lack of understanding (the literal opposite of its actual meaning, in fact) of the meaning of a basic legal term (lit. “you should have the body”, as in a writ of habeas corpus requiring the government to present the body in question in front of a judge to determine if he is being held in government custody properly and legally) that dates back to the year of our lord **1215**. There is nothing to be gained by doing that instead of shutting down her gibberish response and correcting her while pointing out that she has no fucking clue what she is talking about. > [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > Knowledge of and respect for civil rights isn’t exactly a thing at any level of law enforcement. It has nothing to do with law enforcement and everything to do with the legal system. Habeas corpus is the bedrock of the legal system in keeping the law enforcement system in check. It ensures that due process is received. A writ of habeas corpus demands that the government present the person in question being held by law enforcement before a judge and explain why he is being held, on what charges, and the basis of this imprisonment. And god help them if they can’t answer those questions to the judge’s satisfaction. Why is this important? Because TFG’s administration has already flaunted it, along with basic respect for the rule of law and the judicial system, including rulings issued by judges TRG appointed during his first administration, and want to do away with habeas corpus. [White House ‘actively looking’ at suspending habeas corpus in immigration](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5292820-white-house-miller-immigration-crackdown/) > White House deputy chief of staff [Stephen Miller](https://thehill.com/people/stephen-miller/)said Friday that President Trump and his team are “actively looking at” suspending habeas corpus as part of the administration’s immigration crackdown. > > “Well, the Constitution is clear — and that of course is the supreme law of the land — that the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be suspended in a time of invasion,” Miller told reporters at the White House. > > “So, it’s an option we’re actively looking at. Look, a lot of it depends on whether the courts do the right thing or not.” Unfortunately for him, courts have been doing the right thing, rather than the wrong thing and the thing TFG wants, which is what he means by “the right thing” > Suspending habeas corpus, as a result, would be highly controversial. But the administration has already taken controversial steps as part of its deportation regime, such as triggering the 1798 Alien Enemies Act. > > The Supreme Court directed migrants to challenge their Alien Enemies Act deportations through habeas corpus, and since then, judges in at least three cases have sided with migrants, determining the Trump administration was improperly using a law meant to address warfare and incursions. > > It’s possible judges might have a similar interpretation of efforts to suspend habeas corpus, as challengers would also likely dispute whether the U.S. is currently experiencing rebellion or invasion. > > Vladeck went on to say that the comment read like a threat to the courts, adding that Miller is “telling on himself” by saying the White House’s actions depend on court rulings in immigration cases. > > “It’s not the judicial review itself that’s imperiling national security; it’s the possibility that the government might lose,” he said. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/666 "2025-05-22T04:48:43Z")
From Noem’s dumbass reply to the question, we are steps away from the next type of answer to be, “God did it!” Then adding, “Trump said so!” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/667 "2025-05-22T10:53:00Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > . A writ of habeas corpus demands that the government present the person in question being held by law enforcement before a judge and explain why he is being held, on what charges, and the basis of this imprisonment. And god help them if they can’t answer those questions to the judge’s satisfaction. > > Why is this important? Because TFG’s administration has already **flaunted** it, along with basic respect for the rule of law and the judicial system, including rulings issued by judges TRG appointed during his first administration, and want to do away with habeas corpus. _Flouted_, please, if it’s not too much trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/668 "2025-05-22T13:48:06Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Because TFG’s administration has already flaunted it, along with basic respect for the rule of law and the judicial system Biden’s administration? I don’t think it flouted the law. > [@Dissonance](#): > > TRG appointed during his first administration ‘The Republican Guy’? Trump? ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/669 "2025-05-22T13:50:20Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > _Flouted_, please To be fair, they flaunt their flouting. The shamelessness is a matter of pride. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/670 "2025-05-22T20:28:18Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Why? She’s already on the record defining habeas corpus as: “Habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country.” I think Noem knows exactly what habeas corpus is. She just played dumb because it was easier than telling the truth. She has nothing but contempt for Congress. She knows she will not suffer any consequences for her answers and MAGA will love it. She and the rest of the administration will continue their performative bullshit at these hearings until they decide to quit pretending that Congress is relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/671 "2025-05-23T03:21:26Z")
That smirk they use to deliver bullshit, which they don’t even care if what they say is true or not, is the arrogance of getting drunk on power. Defying the nation: “Don’t like it? What are you going to do about it? We crush you either way.” They aspire to wear the boot that stomps on the human face—forever. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/672 "2025-05-23T04:16:45Z")
Where do you get Biden from? I thought TFG was a very well-known acronym around here, and TRG was a typo. TFG stands for either “that former guy” or “that fucking guy” depending on how you are feeling. Biden was the one who coined it. [TFG Meaning & Origin | Slang by Dictionary.com](https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/tfg/) > #### What does TFG stand for? > > _TFG_ is an abbreviation that stands for “The Former Guy.” _TFG_ is specifically used to refer to US President Donald Trump during the period after his first presidential term ended in 2021. This was used as a way to avoid mentioning him by name in online posts. > > _TFG_ is typically used by people who oppose Trump to indicate disrespect for him, prevent additional attention, and avoid responses from his supporters. > > _TFG_ is an abbreviation of “The Former Guy.” The use of “The Former Guy” as a way of referring to Donald Trump was inspired by President Joe Biden dismissively referring to him as “the former guy” when pivoting away from questions about his predecessor during a February 2021 town hall. > > When reporting on the event for _The New York Times_, columnist Gail Collins suggested _TFG_ as a nickname that could be used to make fun of Trump and frustrate him by avoiding use of his actual name. > > Some people use _TFG_ in reference to Trump with a different intended meaning, most commonly one in which the letter _F_ represents a different word. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/673 "2025-05-23T04:18:58Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > _Flouted_, please, if it’s not too much trouble. Apologies for any disturbing images that caused. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/674 "2025-05-23T14:05:04Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Where do you get Biden from? I thought TFG was a very well-known acronym around here Because Biden is now The Former Guy. As long as Trump is President, he’s not TFG. When he’s gone, his replacement will be TFG to the subsequent guy. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/675 "2025-05-23T14:37:41Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > As long as Trump is President, he’s not TFG. Depends on which meaning you put on that F. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/676 "2025-05-23T14:40:34Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > You can’t possibly give a more wrong answer than that. And in fact, it is even more wrong. As Lincoln found out after the fact, it is a right _of Congress_ to suspend, not the President. ---
**Author:** ![Mikkel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikkel/32/13151_2.png) [@Mikkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikkel)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/677 "2025-05-23T14:52:45Z")
Personally I think The Fat Guy when I see TFG after the inauguration. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/678 "2025-05-23T20:11:22Z")
He’s always been that fucking guy to me. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/679 "2025-06-12T19:14:17Z")
The announcer on the radio just now said Secretary Noem’s guards just shoved US Senator Padilla to the floor, handcuffed him and forced him out of her press conference. She can go bleep!!! ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-kristi-puppy-killer-noem-descriptions-of-animal-cruelty-in-op/1000808/680 "2025-06-12T19:16:49Z")
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