# Fuck New York, Fuck New Yorkers, and Fuck the Subway Series!!!!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 20, 2000, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617 "2000-10-20T01:50:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/21 "2000-10-20T04:49:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Minxsmom \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Alessan \* > > \*\*Say, guys - I’ve been living in NY for two and a half months (not including three years as a young child), and I love it here. Can I call myself a New Yorker? Can I tell the OPer to go fuck himself? \*\* > > Go for it! Give 'em your best shot 🙂 > I’m so glad you love New York. It’s the greatest isn’t it? \*\* Why thank you, ma’am. I’m living in the East Village, probably the most mind-blowing neighbourhood in the world. Every day is an adventure. Theuglyruth, you’re pathetic. Do you actually have blood flowing in your veins, or just some pale grey liquid, incapable of absorbing the energies of the most incredible city Earth has ever seen? ---
**Author:** ![Minxsmom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d07c76/32.png) [@Minxsmom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minxsmom)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/22 "2000-10-20T05:17:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Alessan \* > > Why thank you, ma’am. I’m living in the East Village, probably the most mind-blowing neighbourhood in the world. Every day is an adventure. OK, now I hate you - I am totally jealous. My friend, Debbie, used to have the _sweetest_ little place in the East Village. We are talking small, small, small - you know the old joke about having to go outside to change your mind - this place was where they got the joke 🙂 But, it was adorable. I used to stay at her place more often than I would go home. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/23 "2000-10-20T05:49:22Z")
I visited NYC several years ago. I _loved_ it. Wonderful art museum. They people were friendly. Sure, it was big and kinda scary at times, but I’m from L.A., which can also be big and scary at times. I sometimes encounter yokel-types who _hate_ L.A., for some of the same reasons theuglytruth hates NYC. My reaction is, “Fine, don’t visit. California won’t miss you.” I smile and shrug. Whoop-de-do. It’s just one less out-of-towner who is going to get lost on the freeways, and hold everyone else up. Seriously, why care? Some twit from Dog Patch can’t hack it in the Big City? Fine and dandy. They can go back to Dog Patch and leave the Big City to those who can handle it. NYC (or L.A.) is not begging for tourists. Phooey. ---
**Author:** ![neutron\_star](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/51bf81/32.png) [@neutron\_star](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neutron_star)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/24 "2000-10-20T06:14:54Z")
Now, now. I don’t know if it’s about “not handling it,” as much as it’s about the fact that there are a lot of people out there who don’t like gobs of air pollution, horrible traffic, and being packed together like sardines. **Don’t** take this as an endorsement of theuglylie’s bullshit. I’m just saying that there are plenty of people (me, for one) who prefer small towns and medium-sized cities (100,000-200,000 is perfect for me) to the throbbing masses of humanity called New York and Los Angeles. Yeah, I could handle NYC if I wanted to. I just choose not to. That doesn’t make me some kind of yokel. Of course I’m not hanging around whining about how much these cities suck, either. I simply avoid them and keep my mouth shut. ---
**Author:** ![Minxsmom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d07c76/32.png) [@Minxsmom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minxsmom)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/25 "2000-10-20T06:36:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by neutron star \* > \*\*Now, now. I don’t know if it’s about “not handling it,” as much as it’s about the fact that there are a lot of people out there who don’t like gobs of air pollution, horrible traffic, and being packed together like sardines. **Don’t** take this as an endorsement of theuglylie’s bullshit. I’m just saying that there are plenty of people (me, for one) who prefer small towns and medium-sized cities (100,000-200,000 is perfect for me) to the throbbing masses of humanity called New York and Los Angeles. > > Yeah, I could handle NYC if I wanted to. I just choose not to. \*\* Perfectly reasonable and perfectly understandable. Not everyone cares for a big city. My Grandmother was born in a small town in PA, then moved to a slightly larger town in NJ. She takes her trips to NY, but definately prefers not to live here. She likes to live in the small town and just visit the city. There is nothing wrong with that at all. > [@](#): > > **That doesn’t make me some kind of yokel.** Of course not. Yokel is as yokel does (as yokel rants). > [@](#): > > \*\*Of course I’m not hanging around whining about how much these cities suck, either. I simply avoid them and keep my mouth shut. \*\* Therein lies the difference 😉 I’m a New Yorker. I LOVE New York. Of course it has its problems, I would never try to deny it. But, I would never presume to visit someone else’s town and then turn around and carry on and make sweeping generalizations about the whole place and make gross ethnic stereotypes about its citizens and express my wish that the “piece of shit” town “would burn to the ground” after spending two whole days there. If you have a complaint(s), that’s fine. If you don’t like the city, that’s fine. But let’s not go off half cocked. ---
**Author:** ![Myrr21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Myrr21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrr21)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/26 "2000-10-20T06:49:21Z")
It amazes me to see a person so confused. Obviously, it is the NY sports teams that need to be villified, not the city. Duh. Can’t wait to watch the Giants lose some more 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/27 "2000-10-20T08:14:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by theuglytruth \* > \*\*Troll thread? I though this was the BBQ pit! Isn’t this where I vent my spleen? > > It’s not like I went to General Questions with this or anything. \*\* Sure, you can vent in the Pit. You chose the right Forum. However, the sweeping generalisations in the OP are just SCREAMING to be torn apart. You’re seriously baiting for some strong responses here, e.g. you’re trying to piss people off deliberately. I’ll give you a few examples. > [@](#): > > All I heard on the radio up there are all these moronic New York assholes bragging and boasting about the Series. The fact that either of these teams has brought one single ounce of joy to the hearts of any of these scumbags makes me sick to my stomach. So New Yorkers are all assholes and scumbags. > [@](#): > > New Yorkers are obnoxious, arrogant, loud, pushy, backstabbing, smelly, greasy and live like animals. All of them, not a single exception. > [@](#): > > New York is not a planned city- it is 7 million scumbags piled on top of each other like sardines with cockroaches as pets. Scumbags, I tell you, the lot of them! If you think New York is complicated, the average European city will leave you crying in the middle of the street. Idiot. > [@](#): > > Most likely these idiot Yankee and Met fans will riot and engage in a civil war and end up burning this piece of shit city to the ground. How the hell do yuo expect to get away with this sort of shit, TUT? Of COURSE people will tear you a new one, and rightly so. > [@](#): > > Unfortunately New York, New Yorkers, and anyone that lives within 50 miles of New York can go rot in hell. Are you catching on to the pattern yet? Sweeping generalisations, TUT. Deliberately taking the piss. You’re the schoolbook definition of a troll. Now, I have a few questions for you. [li]What’s your backpeddle line this time? You used the “LOL thanks for taking the bait guys LOL” the last time around, so you’re gonna have to come up with something new.[/li][li]Are you gonna publish this razor sharp analysis for good money as well, just like all the shit on your website we so dearly remember from last time?[/li] :rolleyes: Idiot. Piss off already. ---
**Author:** ![BoBettie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4af34b/32.png) [@BoBettie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BoBettie)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/28 "2000-10-20T13:20:51Z")
One thing I’ve learned in my vast 30 years of life experience. It’s the truth, so take it for what it’s worth: When you think everyone else is acting like a total asshole, it’s you. You’re the asshole, not the rest of the world/city/whatever. So lighten up, asshole. Zette ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/29 "2000-10-20T14:20:34Z")
{shyly raising hand} Well, it’s true that _I_ am obnoxious, arrogant, loud, pushy, backstabbing, smelly, greasy, and live like an animal. But some of my neighbors aren’t! ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/30 "2000-10-20T14:28:52Z")
TUT is obviously yanking chains, and doing it well. Nobody can be that stupid in reality, I hope. NYC is a fun place to visit although it’s a tad crowded for me. I have found folks in NYC to be friendly, and in the Village, _very_ friendly. 🙂 If TUT is serious in it’s posts, then all I can say is, if you find NTC noisy and confusing, try getting around in Bangkok or Jakarta. Sheesh! ---
**Author:** ![Philster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@Philster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philster)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/31 "2000-10-20T14:34:34Z")
New York and New Yorkers find resentment all the time. I would take it as a compliment. While not from New York, I am from a big city, Philadelphia (although only half the size of New York). We love to hate New York, but it’s really because of their sports team successes. Overall, we know that big cities are cultural centers and the place where everything is happening. I love New York, but you can’t expect to drive like you’re in the burbs, or on the farm. Like any big city, you have to know how to work it. You have to kow the ins and outs, of which there are many. It’s not simple to live in a big city. I also hate New York because I am bred to hate it. But, I love to go there because, as much as I love Philly, New York is happening on a whole other scale. It’s a big city. If you find you aren’t up to it, keep you opinions to yourself. My experience is that simple minded (narrow minded) people hate big cities. To reiterate another poster: That’s your problem… ---
**Author:** ![jesuslynch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e99b99/32.png) [@jesuslynch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jesuslynch)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/32 "2000-10-20T14:38:33Z")
[hijack] > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yosemitebabe \* > **…Seriously, why care? Some twit from Dog Patch can’t hack it in the Big City? Fine and dandy. They can go back to Dog Patch and leave the Big City to those who can handle it…** A twit can no longer be from Dog Patch. The name was changed to Marble Falls. Please carry on. [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![theuglytruth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@theuglytruth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theuglytruth)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/33 "2000-10-20T15:16:10Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Minxsmom > **And a hearty Fuck You to you.** Another friendly, helpful New Yorker as well. > [@](#): > > \*\*The only time I’ve found New Yorkers to be, in your own words, obnoxious, arrogant, loud, and pushy is when some yokel who’s never seen anything taller than a three story building hogs up the sidewalk gawking at the sites. \*\* Actually were not looking up at the sites. We are praying to Jesus for a way out of there. > [@](#): > > **Let me give you a hint for the next time you have to visit this big, bad “unplanned” city (with the numbered streets and avenues :rolleyes:). When the numbers get bigger you’re heading uptown (north). When the numbers get smaller you’re heading downtown (south). We’ll talk about the Avenues next time - don’t want you to get too confused.** Don’t waste your time. I don’t plan on coming back. > [@](#): > > **As far as the riots you predict - I didn’t notice riots in 1977, 1978, 1986, 1996, 1998, or 1999 (and that’s just the Baseball championships) unless I’m _really_ unobservant.** Well, hopefully all the Yankees and Mets fans will make up for lost time this year. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Biggirl \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by theuglytruth \* > > \*\* > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > \*Originally posted by Biggirl \* > > > > \*\*So I was driving around in Queens, styling in my red Camero, when some slackjaw yokel was doing 3 miles an hour in the fast lane. He had a map unrolled on the dashboard and was picking his nose while crying for his mommy. > > > > > > > > \*\* > > > > > > Why don’t you describe the car I was driving, honey? I mean, since you were there. > > > > > > \*\* > > > > Am I to gather the rest of the description was spot on? \*\* > > Well, it’s just that you are insinuating that I was that slackjaw yokel driving 3 miles and hour in the fast lane. So, either provide a desricption of my car (and please, save the “horse and buggy” references) or admit you have no idea what you are talking about. > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by neutron star \* > > \*\*theuglytruth = John Rocker’s gimpy little brother. Around the house, they refer to John as “the smart one.” \*\* > > Hold on, hold on, let me stop my timer! CONGRATULATIONS, NEWT! You are the first with the John Rocker reference. Now, John Rocker IS an idiot. Feel free to point out one racial or homophobic reference I made in this post. > > That’s what I thought. See I am an equal opportunity offender. I feel you can take New Yorkers of ALL walks of life and roll them up into one gigantic ball of shit. > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Satan \* > > \*\* > > \*TIME ELAPSED SINCE I QUIT SMOKING: > > Six months, one week, four days, 2 hours, 14 minutes and 55 seconds. > > 7763 cigarettes not smoked, saving $970.47. > > Extra time with Drain Bead: 3 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 55 minutes. \*\*\* > > You know you may as well keep smoking. I mean all that filth and pollution you have to breathe in every morning is going to kill you anyway. > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by friedo \* > > \*\* > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > \*Originally posted by theuglytruth \* > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > \*Originally posted by friedo \* > > > > \*\*New York _is_ a planned city, btw. > > > > > > > > And a hearty “fuck you, dipshit” from this native New Yorker. \*\* > > > > > > Funny, that was the reaction I got today from a NYC cab driver when I refused to “Block the Box” and pay a $350 fine! > > > > > > By the way, nice to see that you are disproving the rude New Yorker sterotype by calling me a “dipshit”. > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > **I’m sure one cab driver is an excellent representation of the eight million people who live there. By the way, I’ve never been yelled at by a cab driver. But I have seen assholes such as yourself be yelled at, because they were being ASSHOLES.** \*\* > > > > If being an asshole is someone from out of town who has no choice but to drive through New York City and is SLIGHTLY confused, therefore NOT making a right turn at 55 miles per hour, and is getting yelled at by some New Yorker, well I guess you are right, I am the Asshole, not you. > > > > Here’s a tip for you New Yorkers: if you don’t want to get flamed, READ THE LICENSE PLATE OF THE DRIVER BEFORE YELLING AND HONKING AT THEM. Even better yet, how about throwing over a map? I mean, since you New Yorkers LOVE visitors, and are so friendly and hospitable. > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Originally excreted by theuglytruth_ > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > \*Originally posted by friedo \* > > > > \*\* > > > > > > > > New Yorkers are nice. I find the vast; _vast_ majority of them will hold doors for you, give you directions, tell you which subway to take, smile at you, say please and thank you, and be generally good natured.\*\* > > > > > > \*\*I agree. Put four or five Martinis in the average New Yorker and they will be the friendliest paople in the world. > > > > > > Meanwhile, their cousins Vinnie and Guido will be in the back of the restaurant sharpening the knives and unrolling the carpet, if you know what I mean.\*\* > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > \*\*I appreciate the ethnic stereotypes, I really really do. Shows how stupid and closed minded you are. Incidentally, thanks to our glorious Mayor and former prosecutor the Hon. Rudy Guiliani, the mafia in New York is pretty much non-existent now. I’m sure you’ve grown to appreciate it. I’m sure you’ve been there to witness all the improvements that have been made. \*\* > > > > I was referring to Vinnie O’Malley and Guido Slasvinsky. What racial sterotype are YOU thinking of? > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > Originally vomitted by theuglytruth > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > \*Originally posted by friedo \* > > > > **And then there’s the wonderful variety of music in the subways.** > > > > > > Well, only if you like rap music. > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > **Did you ever try to take the subway? I’ve never once heard rappers down there. I have heard jazz, old fashioned rock, swing music, violin music, steel drums, suitars, and a dude beating the hell out of a pair of garbage cans making some of the most beautiful rhythm music I’d ever heard. Have you been to the Grand Central side of the shuttle? Every once in a while there’s this incredibally beautiful girl there who plays saxaphone music that makes me want to cry.** > > > > Great. So to you, culture is some homeless bum panhandling quarters by banging on garbage cans. Thank you, you’ve told me all I need to know. > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Original proof of stupidity by theuglytruth_ > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > \*Originally posted by friedo \* > > > > **I’ve been to lots of places, and I’ve NEVER met people as nice as I have in New York.** > > > > > > What places? Attica, Folsom and San Quentin? > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > **Well, in my short life, I’ve been to Los Angelos, San Francisco, Denver, Chicago, Miami, Orlando, Alberquerqie(sp?), Trenton, Ithaca, Toronto, London, Paris (you think you’ve seen bad drivers in New York…), Washington, DC, and all over New England. Don’t get me started on how much the people in Rochester suck (except for the folks a the Rochester dopefest. They’re my friends. Do you have friends?)** > > > > With the exception of LA, at least you can ESCAPE within 2 hours. And yes, I have plenty of friends. And I would like more. Just not on the Internet. Though, you people are all so nice I thought maybe we could all bond a little bit here. > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Originally fucked up the ass by theuglytruth_ > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > \*Originally posted by friedo \* > > > > \*\*I’m now going to quote the great George Carlin, who explains precisely why sissy crybaby little farm boys like yourself can’t handle the Big City: > > > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > > > …snip GC quotation… > > > > > \*\* > > > > > > > > \*\* > > > > Actually I was in New York for 2 days, not just nine minutes. How do you propose I get ANYWHERE in New York City in nine minutes? > > > > > > > > And if “where the action is” is sitting in a traffic jam for two and a half hours, then George Carlin is fucked in the head. > > > > > > Nine minutes? I can get from 125th St. to Houston in nine minutes. Ever try the subway? They’re neat. I wonder how long it takes to drive 125 blocks up eighth avenue. I’ll ask again why the fuck you were trying to drive in (I assume) Manhatten. Take the subway. it only costs a buck and a half, there’s no traffic, and you don’t need to tip.\*\* > > > > I’d love to take the subway. It’s the muggings, the homeless people, the drug addicts, the pushy people fighting for a seat, and the graffiti I don’t like. > > > > Not that it is any of your business, but if you must know I had no choice but to drive. I had appointments on Long Island asd Northern New Jersey. Let me guess, you need to take mass transit to get there too. > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > \*\*Oh, I’m sorry, that’s right. You have to take mass transit to get around New York. Gee, what a great city, where it is so fucked up you can’t even drive a car around. > > > > > > I’ve got it all wrong! New York is SUCH a wonderful place to live! > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > \*\*I challenge you to design a city in the space of ten square miles (Manhatten) that’s going to hold millions of people WITHOUT putting in mass transit. And yes, you do have it all wrong. New York is a great place to live if you’re not a fucking sissy. \*\*\*\* > > > > See now that’s just not right. A “sissy”? Look I live in a small city, but I’d like to see one of you brave New Yorkers survive a weeekend camping trip without your cell phone, big screen TV or computer. > > > > You big tough brave New Yorkers would go nuts in three hours. > > > > By the way, if I were to design a city to hold millions of people, I sure as hell would find a larger place than a tiny island. Can’t they just relocate all of you . . to I dont know . . Antarctica? Here there’s plenty of space there. We could then rename it “Garbage Island”. > > > > Then, all of you scumbags could pollute it even further and within 5 years the ozone hole will be all the way up to Canada! > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > \*Originally posted by friedo \* > > > **I wonder if theuglytruth is going to come in with one of his “hey guys, thanks for taking the bate!” lines again.** > > > > Actually it was “bait” but that’s OK I mispell a lot too. The difference is I was having a little fun last time. This time I really do hate New York. > > > > Though I have to admit I’m enjoying myself tremendously here as well. > > > > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Alessan \* > > \*\* > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > \*Originally posted by Minxsmom \* > > > \*\* > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > \*Originally posted by Alessan \* > > > > \*\*Say, guys - I’ve been living in NY for two and a half months (not including three years as a young child), and I love it here. Can I call myself a New Yorker? Can I tell the OPer to go fuck himself? \*\* > > > > > > Go for it! Give 'em your best shot 🙂 > > > I’m so glad you love New York. It’s the greatest isn’t it? \*\* > > > > Why thank you, ma’am. I’m living in the East Village, probably the most mind-blowing neighbourhood in the world. Every day is an adventure.\*\* > > Oh boy, East Village. Don’t get me started. > > > [@](#): > > > > \*\*Theuglyruth, you’re pathetic. Do you actually have blood flowing in your veins, or just some pale grey liquid, incapable of absorbing the energies of the most incredible city Earth has ever seen? \*\* > > That’s Mr. Theuglytruth to you. > > I have plenty of capacity for absorbing energy. It’s the pollution and smell I can’t handle. > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > > \*\* > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > \*Originally posted by theuglytruth \* > > > \*\*Troll thread? I though this was the BBQ pit! Isn’t this where I vent my spleen? > > > > > > It’s not like I went to General Questions with this or anything. \*\* > > > > Sure, you can vent in the Pit. You chose the right Forum. However, the sweeping generalisations in the OP are just SCREAMING to be torn apart. You’re seriously baiting for some strong responses here, e.g. you’re trying to piss people off deliberately. I’ll give you a few examples.\*\* > > I can take my own medicine. Go nuts on me. I like it. I enjoy pain. I want to just like one of you perverted, sick New York degenerates. Beat me. Whip me. Make me write bad checks. > > > [@](#): > > > > \*\*All I heard on the radio up there are all these moronic New York assholes bragging and boasting about the Series. The fact that either of these teams has brought one single ounce of joy to the hearts of any of these scumbags makes me sick to my stomach. > > So New Yorkers are all assholes and scumbags.\*\* OK, you are right, now I will backpeddle again. Only 99.9% of New Yorkers are scumbags and assholes. I humbly apologize. > [@](#): > > \*\*New Yorkers are obnoxious, arrogant, loud, pushy, backstabbing, smelly, greasy and live like animals. All of them, not a single exception.\*\* [/quote] Let me check- DAMN you got me again. OK there are 2 exceptions. There’s a guy who lives in Staten Island that is OK and a woman in Manhattan at a bagel shop that was very nice once. Other than that, no exceptions. > [@](#): > > \*\*New York is not a planned city- it is 7 million scumbags piled on top of each other like sardines with cockroaches as pets. Scumbags, I tell you, the lot of them! If you think New York is complicated, the average European city will leave you crying in the middle of the street. Idiot.\*\* [/quote] I have absolutely NO desire to go visit Europe either. And please don’t call me names. You don’t see me doing that, do you? My goal here is to have a provocative intelligent debate of the issues here. > [@](#): > > \*\*Most likely these idiot Yankee and Met fans will riot and engage in a civil war and end up burning this piece of shit city to the ground. How the hell do yuo expect to get away with this sort of shit, TUT? Of COURSE people will tear you a new one, and rightly so. > [@](#): > > \*\*Unfortunately New York, New Yorkers, and anyone that lives within 50 miles of New York can go rot in hell. Are you catching on to the pattern yet? Sweeping generalisations, TUT. Deliberately taking the piss. You’re the schoolbook definition of a troll. Now, I have a few questions for you. [li]What’s your backpeddle line this time? You used the “LOL thanks for taking the bait guys LOL” the last time around, so you’re gonna have to come up with something new.\*\*[/li][/quote] \*\* I already answered that. I backpeddled again. I mean there is no way I can debate you. You win. Happy? [QUOTE] **[li]Are you gonna publish this razor sharp analysis for good money as well, just like all the shit on your website we so dearly remember from last time?**[/li][/quote] No. See, I love all of you Dopers SO much, I printed this diatribe for FREE! Now I know all of you out there appreciate my writing so much that you are now going to ask how you can send your money (kind of like that guy in the subway with the bongo drums). But I’ll tell you what I will do. Since all of you like New York so much, for every Doper that likes this post, feel free to send your money to the Environmental Protection Agency and earmark it for pollution cleanup in Northern New Jersey. I just want to help. Really. > [@](#): > > \*\*:rolleyes: > > Idiot. Piss off already. \*\* Can’t we all just get along? You shouldn’t be that way, Coldfire. I know you are really not like that. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zette \* > \*\*One thing I’ve learned in my vast 30 years of life experience. It’s the truth, so take it for what it’s worth: > > When you think everyone else is acting like a total asshole, it’s you. You’re the asshole, not the rest of the world/city/whatever. > > So lighten up, asshole. > > Zette > \*\* I prefer to think that I am above the fray, but thanks for the insight. It was very enlightening. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/34 "2000-10-20T15:42:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Can’t we all just get along? You shouldn’t be that way, Coldfire. I know you are really not like that. I can assure you I **am** like that. Very much so. You’re an idiot, therefore you and I can not get along. End of story. And thanks for giving me a headache. What a trainwreck! Judging by the font, you even proofread it, and thought all the codes looked A-OK. Sadly, you were mistaken and the text equivalent of a bad curry diarrhea came out. Please stick to your intention of never wanting to visit Europe. We’ll be watching our borders for a mouthfoaming hillbilly. You should be easy to spot. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/35 "2000-10-20T15:48:47Z")
Hey, that was impressive! Let’s have a round of applause here for the man! {clears throat} Now, if I may, I’d like to sing you a little song by my good friend Mister Bob Dylan. {sits on stool, picks up acoustic guitar} Come you ladies and you gentlemen, a-listen to my song. Sing it to you right, but you might think it’s wrong. Just a little glimpse of a story I’ll tell Bout an East Coast city that you all know well. It’s hard times in the city, Livin’ down in New York town. Old New York City is a friendly old town, From Washington Heights to Harlem on down. There’s a-mighty many people all millin’ all around, They’ll kick you when you’re up and knock you when you’re down. It’s hard times in the city, Livin’ down in New York town. It’s a mighty long ways from the Golden Gate To Rockefeller Plaza n’ the Empire State. Mister Rockefeller sets up as high as a bird, Old Mister Empire never says a word. It’s hard times from the country, Livin’ down in New York town. Well, it’s up in the mornin’ tryin’ to find a job of work. Stand in one place till your feet begin to hurt. If you go a lot o’ money you can make yourself merry, If you only got a nickel, it’s the Staten Island Ferry. And it’s hard times in the city, Livin’ down in New York town. Mister Hudson come a-sailin’ down the stream And old Mister Minuit paid for his dream. Bought your city on a one-way track, ‘F I had my way I’d sell it right back. And it’s hard times in the city, Livin’ down in New York town. I’ll take all the smog in Cal-i-for-ne-ay, ‘N’ every bit of dust in the Oklahoma plains, ‘N’ the dirt in the caves of the Rocky Mountain mines. It’s all much cleaner than the New York kind. And it’s hard times in the city, Livin’ down in New York town. So all you newsy people, spread the news around, You c’n listen to m’ story, listen to m’ song. You c’n step on my name, you c’n try ‘n get me beat, When I leave New York, I’ll be standin’ on my feet. And it’s hard times in the city, Livin’ down in New York town. ---
**Author:** ![Alphagene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Alphagene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alphagene)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/36 "2000-10-20T16:28:02Z")
ugly’s last post required me to press my PageDown key **twenty** times. Not that I actually _read_ it. His original “Vinnie and Guido” comment was enough for me. We Italians singlehandedly pulled all of Europe up out of the dark ages and this is the thanks we get? Perhaps if ugly lived in a town with as many cultural events, points of interest, historical landmarks and varied shopping districts as NYC, he wouldn’t have time to write a post that approaches the Koran in total length. I, for one, would like to hear the details about the sordid little burg that ugly lives in. You got any stoplights? ---
**Author:** ![ShelliBean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@ShelliBean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShelliBean)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/37 "2000-10-20T17:03:45Z")
I have only been to New York once. I was 15 and fresh off the farm. I had never been anywhere that large before and I was the slack-jawed yokel standing in traffic saying “Well Golly Gee!” for the first few hours. After I picked my jaw up off the ground I had more fun than ever. I felt like I was at a 24 hour street festival that went on forever. I had no trouble getting around. I took the subway (oh wow) and I took taxis if I couldn’t navigate the subway well enough to get where I was going. The taxi drivers were nice enough and even interested in my accent (thick Southern). The number of the ones who were rude were about proportional to the general population (meaning in any group of people, you are going to have a few assholes). I don’t guess I visited the same New York. I had a lovely time and I should have been a main target for rudeness (young Southern out-of-town redneck girl). Back at my one stop-light town I told of the wonders of “New Yory Citah” and anyone who had been there agreed with me. I really think it’s just you, TUT. ---
**Author:** ![theuglytruth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@theuglytruth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theuglytruth)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/38 "2000-10-20T17:10:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > Can’t we all just get along? You shouldn’t be that way, Coldfire. I know you are really not like that. > > I can assure you I **am** like that. Very much so. You’re an idiot, therefore you and I can not get along. End of story.\*\* No, don’t say those things. PRETTY PLEASE can I be your friend? > [@](#): > > \*\* > And thanks for giving me a headache. What a trainwreck! Judging by the font, you even proofread it, and thought all the codes looked A-OK. Sadly, you were mistaken and the text equivalent of a bad curry diarrhea came out.\*\* How ironic. That was exactly the smell I noticed when I drove by the Meadowlands! > [@](#): > > \*\* > Please stick to your intention of never wanting to visit Europe. We’ll be watching our borders for a mouthfoaming hillbilly. You should be easy to spot. \*\* Don’t worry about me coming over. Europe is such a wnderful place to visit- crappy plumbing, shitty TV, genocide, a falling Euro, etc… I’ll stick right here in the Good 'Ol US of A. There is a reason why more Europeans migrate to the U.S. then vice versa you know. Fortunately, we are smart enough to dump most of you welfare leeches right where you all belong- New York! ---
**Author:** ![theuglytruth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@theuglytruth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theuglytruth)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/39 "2000-10-20T17:12:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ukulele Ike \* > \*\*Hey, that was impressive! Let’s have a round of applause here for the man! > > {clears throat} Now, if I may, I’d like to sing you a little song by my good friend Mister Bob Dylan. {sits on stool, picks up acoustic guitar} > > Come you ladies and you gentlemen, a-listen to my song. > . . . . blah blah blah, garbage garbage . . . , you c’n try ‘n get me beat, > When I leave New York, I’ll be standin’ on my feet. > And it’s hard times in the city, > Livin’ down in New York town. \*\* My ears hurt just thinking about it. ---
**Author:** ![BoBettie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4af34b/32.png) [@BoBettie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BoBettie)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2000, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617/40 "2000-10-20T17:14:05Z")
> [@](#): > > When you think everyone else is acting like a total asshole, it’s you. You’re the asshole, not the rest of the world/city/whatever. > > ## So lighten up, asshole. Zette > > I prefer to think that I am above the fray, but thanks for the insight. It was very enlightening. Hey, don’t mention it. We all get a little “wacky” sometimes. Hugs! \*\*This thread reminds me of a funny story. I was on a business trip to sunny Grand Rapids, MI taking a cab from the airport. Now, I live in upstate NY, not the city. I have 13acres of property, gorgeous walking paths and gardens, and clean country livin’. So, we’re pulling away from the airport parking lot and the cabbie asks where I’m from. At this point we’re passing a FILTHY NASTY DUMP of some sort- literally a dump. He says “NY? Well, I ain’t never been there, but I bet you don’t have fresh air like this there!” I almost pissed my pants laughing. I just said “Nope- I’m not that lucky”. What an idjit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-new-york-fuck-new-yorkers-and-fuck-the-subway-series/37617.md?page=3)