# Fuck off Dubya, you arrogant little shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 2, 2004, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342 "2004-06-02T22:52:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/1 "2004-06-02T22:52:38Z")
> [@](#): > > “Like the Second World War, our present conflict began with a ruthless surprise attack on the United States. We will not forget that treachery and we will accept nothing less than victory over the enemy” [http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=522219§ion=news](http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=522219§ion=news) How DARE he make such a comparison? Not least because it’s WHOLLY AND COMPLETELY INNACURATE, but then he doesn’t want to worry us with complicated things like _Iraq != 9/11_ ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/2 "2004-06-02T23:00:33Z")
> [@](#): > > COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush has compared his war on terror to America’s mission in World War II Dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/3 "2004-06-02T23:11:03Z")
Well I may have over-reacted - the article is a bit muddy. This could certainly be construed as part of Bush’s ongoing effort to link Iraq to the war on terror. But it doesn’t seem that he explicitly implied that the start Iraqi conflict was akin to Pearl Harbor as your OP stated. Perhaps someone with more information can elucidate on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/4 "2004-06-02T23:15:46Z")
If anything, I always thought the so-called War On Terror is more like the Cold War, since it will likely develop into a decades-long period of mutual distrust between two major sectors of the world. Of course, that’s obviously not a perfect analogy either. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/5 "2004-06-02T23:21:02Z")
Bush’s remarks equate 9/11 with Pearl Harbor. Not new and not especially outlandish. Of course, there’s an implication in his speech that Americans all need to pull together, WWII-style, which means (in his view) backing the current Administration. Which is where many part company with his message. ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/6 "2004-06-02T23:21:03Z")
OK, I’ve found the [full text](http://www.gazette.com/display.php?sid=1005154) of the speech. If anything, it makes _more_ clear his determination to connect D-Day, the new memorial in Washington, etc etc, to his own cause. And the rest is his usual black-and-white naivety. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/7 "2004-06-02T23:21:42Z")
\ What an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/8 "2004-06-02T23:21:59Z")
Who cares what you think? ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/9 "2004-06-02T23:24:23Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > Who cares what you think? Who, me? Well, the whole world, obviously, that’s why I’m posting it online :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/10 "2004-06-02T23:30:38Z")
No! He’s Not an _idiot_!!! No idiot could possibly work The People the way this guy does. No idiot could possibly surround himself with such a teflon & kevlar administration. No idiot could possibly downplay his past the way this guy does. He’s a frickin’ genius I tell ya! If y’all so damned smart let’s see any of YOU devise a way (legitemate or otherwise) to hop into the top seat of the US of A and do whatever the hell you damn well please! Oh sure, some folks are griping and pointing and hooting (like chimps) but y’know what? This “idiot” is gonna be re-elected because he’s working his public. He knows at least one fundamental truth about humans: They hear what they want to hear–and that also means not hearing things that are not “pleasing to the mind.” Come election day, we will choose the devil we know. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/11 "2004-06-02T23:46:33Z")
:eek: He… he really said that? Dear President Bush, listen carefully. [These men died liberating a continent from a tirant, after a cruel attack on America forced the US to participate in WWII. They have my eternal respect, and gratitude.](http://www.abmc.gov/ne.htm) [These men and women died for you and your shady goals, President Bush. They have my eternal respect for carrying out an impossible task, and their families have my eternal sympathy for living with the loss. However, there was no attack on America that prompted an attack on Iraq.](http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/) “Shameless” doesn’t begin to cover it. This is a slap in the face of the American people, and an even bigger slap for those who fell fighting for _freedom_. I don’t get angy easily, but please, folks. Vote this fucking tirant out. I’m not saying the world will instantly become a perfect place without him, but fuck, how much worse COULD it be under Kerry? ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/12 "2004-06-02T23:56:37Z")
When I read about this a few hours ago I thought, “pit thread”. And here it is…deservedly so. I really hope this bites him in the ass. It’s disgusting to compare W’s little adventure to WWII. Even if we were truly “fighting terrorism” it wouldn’t be a just comparison. Now please, Dems, get off your ass and go after him for this one. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/13 "2004-06-02T23:58:21Z")
_ **If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.** _ JOSEPH GOEBBELS Bushco is following his lead very well. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/14 "2004-06-03T00:12:45Z")
President Bush has a point. There _are_ similarities between WWII and TWOT. However, his words got me thinking about whether there was, perhaps, a _more accurate_ analogy for the terror war. Sure enough, the [early evolution of the sea cow](http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/10/1010_jamaicaseacow.html) gives a better fit. It’s all about Grass man! ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/15 "2004-06-03T00:17:17Z")
I’m trying hard to keep my objectivity about this election but this is incrediblly self-serving, not to mention ugly as hell. It’s not suprising when politicians wrap themselves in the flag because they all do it, but this particular comparison is disrespectful as well as an outright lie. It’s a slap in the face to every veteran of WWII and their families who lived through it. BushII started this dirty little war using disinformation, confusion and against the wishes of the majority of nations. His destructive, expensive fiasco is in no way comparable to WWII, and it’s damned offensive of him to claim otherwise. It was also completely unneccessary. It’s possible, and _appropriate_, to praise the heroism of soliders past and present. It would be fine if he’d honored the soldiers for their duty, sacrifice and love of country, while extending that praise to currently serving military. They deserve it. That would have been not only Presidential but statesmanlike. Instead he behaved like the cheapest sort of cynical politican. Shame on him. This rant’s for you, Dad, since you’re no longer here to deliver it yourself.\* Veb WWII Army Master Sergeant, Pacific Theater ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/16 "2004-06-03T00:25:01Z")
Not that it will make one iota of difference to anyone important, but there went another letter to Our Beloved Leader. [sub]There’s no doubt left to remove, President Bush…[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Manduck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manduck/32/256_2.png) [@Manduck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manduck)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/17 "2004-06-03T00:25:04Z")
I find it a little troubling that he thinks that WWII started with Pearl Harbour. ---
**Author:** ![Atticus\_Finch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Atticus\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atticus_Finch)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/18 "2004-06-03T00:26:58Z")
> [@](#): > > “Like the Second World War, our present conflict began with a ruthless surprise attack on the United States. We will not forget that treachery and we will accept nothing less than victory over the enemy” There’s a whole other brand of egocentric arrogance here. The Second World War did not fucking well start with Pearl Harbour. It started when the Nazis invaded Poland. I’m so sick of this lying scumbag. ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/19 "2004-06-03T00:33:24Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Now please, Dems, get off your ass and go after him for this one. Dems, hell, every person who places country above politics. I’m an Independent and bet yer ass I’d be every bit as disgusted at _anyone_ who pulled blatant crap like this. I just wonder what BushI thinks of it. He _was_ a bona fide WWII warrior. If I have time I’ll look up a bit BushI had in _Newsweek_ around the time of the Gulf War. (The electronic version is no longer available, removed at the request of the authors.) Basically BushI was quoted as saying–quite rightly–that he didn’t pursue Saddam into Bagdhad because it would have ruined the international support crucial to the war. You know what’s sad–and scary? I don’t think BushII _knows_ how or why this is offensive. I think he honestly doesn’t get it. Veb ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342/20 "2004-06-03T00:36:44Z")
People, people, people. Extrapolate much??? I didn’t see anywhere where Bush made an inaccurate comparison. Japan hit us with a sneak attack. Muslim terrorists hit us with a sneak attack. End of comparison. We defeated Japan. Bush asserts likewise we will defeat terrorism. Nope, don’t see a problem there. Bush equates the war in Iraq with WWII? Don’t see it in this article! Bush said WWII started with Pearl Harbor? Don’t think so. He said “our conflict started” with a ruthless surprise attack by the terrorists, just like “our conflict” in WWII started with the attack on Pearl Harbor. He didn’t say anywhere that WWII started with Pearl Harbor. You people are so blinded by indignation, scorn, your own perceived superiority and rage that you can’t even interpret correctly words in front of your very own eyes. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-dubya-you-arrogant-little-shit/248342.md?page=2)