# Fuck Off with your Feigned Outrage and Shock over Spying **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 25, 2013, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228 "2013-10-25T18:27:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/81 "2013-10-31T00:31:06Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > Now that’s insane. Yeah, thinking that the head of the agency knows about the agency is just zany! Especially if you make a 1984 reference. That makes it double-plus-zany! > [@newcomer](#): > > Only a retard can believe this headline in CNN - [Allies spy on allies because a friend today may not be one tomorrow](http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/30/us/spying-on-allies-everybody-does-it/index.html?hpt=hp_t2) You’re under the impression that international relations and alliances are based on unbreakable pinkie-swears or something? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/82 "2013-10-31T01:51:48Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > Only a retard can believe this headline in CNN - [Allies spy on allies because a friend today may not be one tomorrow](http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/30/us/spying-on-allies-everybody-does-it/index.html?hpt=hp_t2) > > I’m more than happy to be 180 degrees from you on this. Me too. You’re a dolt, I’m not. From your cite: > [@](#): > > Embassies can be an arm of such espionage. Countries allow the missions to exchange information formally but they’re used to gather intelligence covertly, too, said Peter Earnest, who worked for the CIA for 36 years, including about 25 years in the agency’s clandestine service. > > “I think there’s a degree of hypocrisy among the Europeans to say, ‘Oh, my gosh, the Americans are spying!’ Well, so are they,” said Earnest, the founding executive director of the International Spy Museum in Washington. But, of course, he’s about as knowledgeable as a mailman. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/83 "2013-10-31T10:54:11Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I’m pretty shocked about torture and secret rendition. Drone killings, meh. Not sure what the other things are supposed to mean. > [@BrokenBriton](#): > > 174 Pakistani children. That’s not a sentence on a message board it’s the faces, bodies and lives of 174 once real, live little people who died when their bodies disintegrated into countless shreds of butchered humanity. Meh. So would you feel better if a manned aircraft had delivered the munitions? The difference between the two scenarios definitely sinks to the “meh” level. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/84 "2013-10-31T12:01:46Z")
Why the feigned öutrage"? the US DOJ has committed much worse crimes-and nobody talks about them-how about “Fast and Furious”-dozens of state and federal laws broken-and Eric Holder’s reaction? Nothing to see here! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/85 "2013-10-31T14:46:04Z")
What state and federal laws were broken in Fast and Furious? ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/86 "2013-10-31T15:37:07Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Yes, when I said I’m meh about drone killings I was of course referring specifically to unarmed children. :rolleyes: When you said: > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Drone killings, meh. I assumed you were talking about drone killings. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/87 "2013-10-31T16:01:39Z")
I was talking about the practice in general, yes. Don’t be dense. ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/88 "2013-10-31T16:27:18Z")
“meh” ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/89 "2013-10-31T17:00:13Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Me too. You’re a dolt, I’m not. > > From your cite: But, of course, he’s about as knowledgeable as a mailman. The issue is not about who’s more knowledgeable - not even who is more credible - the issue is it is not ex-head of France’s spy program to say it’s all good because… well, we’ve been doing it and everyone else is doing it. It’s not his call to make and same goes for NSA chief. If he’s so cool about it why didn’t he talk about that to the Congress and various committees before but it took a Snowden’s leak for all of that to come ashore. Dolt is someone who mixes up argument of force with force of the argument. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/90 "2013-10-31T17:28:44Z")
Because Congress didn’t ask him to? ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/91 "2013-10-31T18:01:26Z")
> [@Really Ate All Those Braiiins](#): > > I was talking about the practice in general, yes. Don’t be dense. Great answer 😃 In other words, I like war in Iraq but I don’t like hundreds of innocent lives lost. In general, practice of unprovoked war is great but not so great when innocent people die. Got it! ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/92 "2013-10-31T18:03:18Z")
By the way… it takes a blogger journalist to explain it - [Michael Hayden, the Voice of Terror](http://gawker.com/michael-hayden-the-voice-of-terror-1456034788) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/93 "2013-10-31T18:03:57Z")
“In other words” nothing. I said nothing about the war in Iraq. I was against it from the beginning and I remain so. Address my actual words, if you like. Don’t lie about what they were. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/94 "2013-10-31T18:08:41Z")
> [@Really Ate All Those Braiiins](#): > > “In other words” nothing. I said nothing about the war in Iraq. I was against it from the beginning and I remain so. Address my actual words, if you like. Don’t lie about what they were. That was a lame attempt at analogy of your attitude toward issue of drone killings - I have no idea what your views were/are re: Iraq war. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/95 "2013-10-31T19:57:52Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > By the way… it takes a blogger journalist to explain it - [http://gawker.com/michael-hayden-the-voice-of-terror-1456034788](http://gawker.com/michael-hayden-the-voice-of-terror-1456034788) From the column: > [@](#): > > The democratically elected government exists to serve the spies, not the other way around. So vote for people who swear to dismantle and end the NSA. See if they win democratic elections on that platform. If the do and fail to perform, vote them out and vote in the next guy on that platform. The NSA doesn’t exist on its own; it’s funded by the legislature and directed by the executive. I suspect you’ll find the platform to be an untenable one and learn that the democratically elected government (and people who elect them) are happy with its intelligence apparatus rather than spooky insinuations of it being “controlled” by them. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/96 "2013-11-01T12:21:46Z")
> [@Really Ate All Those Braiiins](#): > > What state and federal laws were broken in Fast and Furious? How about: -exporting automatic firearms without a valid license -transporting automatic firearms across state lines -transfer of firearms to convicted felons probably a few more, but when did Eric Holder ever bother about such things? he’s too busy worrying about the police violating the civil rights of minority criminals. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228/97 "2013-11-01T14:26:09Z")
The ATF didn’t break any of those laws, moron. The point of the operation was to surveil _civilians_ who were breaking them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-off-with-your-feigned-outrage-and-shock-over-spying/672228.md?page=4)