# Fuck Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin and Fuck the Death Penalty **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 16, 2015, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478 "2015-09-16T15:15:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/21 "2015-09-16T18:15:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Somehow I doubt your ability to read minds. Let us suppose that Glossip had never been charged and it was Sneed who was now facing execution. Do you think that these very same people wouldn’t be out there protesting and trying to have his execution halted? > [@](#): > > Consider that there’s a tiny possibility that the appeals court is right that perhaps there’s a miniscule, non-zero possibility that Glossip was incorrectly convicted of murder and sentenced to death. The court has stayed his execution for two weeks so that they can examine the alleged new evidence in light of the late date this appeal was filed. That decision makes no judgment on whether there is any validity to the evidence or whether there exists a possibility that he was wrongly convicted. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/22 "2015-09-16T18:20:36Z")
I don’t understand why criminals, if they must be executed, must go through all the circus like excitement and public viewing of the event. In states with doctor assisted suicides, a patient is given a pill, they take it and peacefully slip off to sleep, never to wake up. In an execution, they have untrained medical staff botching up simple procedures, causing needless pain and suffering, and they call it justice. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/23 "2015-09-16T18:30:03Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Let us suppose that Glossip had never been charged and it was Sneed who was now facing execution. Do you think that these very same people wouldn’t be out there protesting and trying to have his execution halted? I don’t know – there are lots of executions that don’t make big news like this one did. I wouldn’t care nearly as much if it was Sneed. I don’t have a moral problem with executing guilty people – just with the chance, however small, of executing innocent people. > [@](#): > > The court has stayed his execution for two weeks so that they can examine the alleged new evidence in light of the late date this appeal was filed. That decision makes no judgment on whether there is any validity to the evidence or whether there exists a possibility that he was wrongly convicted. It makes some sort of judgment on the “new evidence”, even if it’s not definitive. They wouldn’t stop (and haven’t stopped) an execution for any and every claim of new evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/24 "2015-09-16T18:40:58Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It makes some sort of judgment on the “new evidence”, even if it’s not definitive. They wouldn’t stop (and haven’t stopped) an execution for any and every claim of new evidence. No that is not the case. They could simply feel that they didn’t have time to look over the evidence before the execution. No judgement at all about it’s validity. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/25 "2015-09-16T18:49:49Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Even Sneed’s daughter is on Glossip’s side. From the link above, it’s not clear whether the letter from Sneed’s daughter was authored by her or by the activists who circulated it. But no difference anyway - she has had very little contact with her father over the years and her position means little to nothing. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/26 "2015-09-16T18:50:08Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > No that is not the case. They could simply feel that they didn’t have time to look over the evidence before the execution. No judgement at all about it’s validity. I didn’t say “validity” – stopping the execution is a decision based on something, and that something is related to the new evidence. And when, in the past, courts have refused to stop executions based on claims of new evidence, they were also making a decision based on something related to the claims of new evidence. So I trust that the judgment of the courts has something to do with the new evidence being claimed. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/27 "2015-09-16T18:57:30Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Let us suppose that Glossip had never been charged and it was Sneed who was now facing execution. Do you think that these very same people wouldn’t be out there protesting and trying to have his execution halted? Of course not. He beat the guy to death with a baseball bat. Unless you think he’s just being a nice guy and taking the blame for someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/28 "2015-09-16T19:01:17Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > From the link above, it’s not clear whether the letter from Sneed’s daughter was authored by her or by the activists who circulated it. But no difference anyway - she has had very little contact with her father over the years and her position means little to nothing. I don’t know if she authored the letter either, but she’s at the rally’s wearing the t-shirt. [Here’s the letter in question.](http://www.richardeglossip.com/o-ryan-justine-sneed-s-clemency-letter.html) > [@](#): > > For a couple of years now, my father has been talking to me about recanting his original testimony. But has been afraid to act upon it, in fear of being charged with the Death Penalty, and not be here for his children. My father has no reason to do so as a favor to Richard, as him and Mr. Glossip have no relationship and have had no communication in the last 17 years. I feel his conscious is getting to him. His fear of recanting, but guilt about not doing so, makes it obvious that information he is sitting on would exonerate Mr. Glossip. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/29 "2015-09-16T19:05:22Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Of course not. He beat the guy to death with a baseball bat. That certainly hasn’t stopped plenty of people, including the OP, from insisting that _all_ executions are wrong and should be halted. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/30 "2015-09-16T19:10:35Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > That certainly hasn’t stopped plenty of people, including the OP, from insisting that _all_ executions are wrong and should be halted. Hell, sign me up as one of those people. Until we have absolute proof that someone is guilty and deserving of death, I’m against the absoluteness, the _finality_, of killing someone. You may think that the risk of putting an innocent person to death is acceptable, but I bet you’d change your mind if \*you \*were that person. All executions are wrong, and should be halted, _exactly because of cases like this_. ---
**Author:** ![bosbfdsfd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba8739/32.png) [@bosbfdsfd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bosbfdsfd)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/31 "2015-09-16T19:11:32Z")
> [@bup](#): > > [Oklahoma is going to execute an innocent man in a few hours](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/oklahoma-inmate-richard-glossip-set-to-die-for-1997-killing/). > > Everyone agrees Richard Glossip was not the killer. The actual killer, Justin Sneed, and he alone, is the state’s evidence that Glossip was involved. The actual killer,\* in exchange for getting his sentence reduced from the death penalty to life in prison\*, testified that Glossip paid him to do it. > > There’s no physical evidence tying him to the murder. Sneed claims that he and Glossip split money they got from the victim’s car. Glossip says his money is from his paycheck and selling furniture. Sneed’s money had blood on it. Glossip’s didn’t. Sneed claimed Glossip helped him hang a shower curtain over a broken window. The curtain had Sneed’s fingerprints, not Glossip’s. > > The conviction was based on nothing but a snitch’s testimony. And his story doesn’t add up. > > And Mary Fallin is OK with killing this guy. Fuck you and your belief that somebody’s death - anybody who isn’t important - in exchange for a murder, equals justice. May you be wrongly convicted someday. It’s always so cute when menstruating liberals throw insane temper tantrums over murderers being put down like the dogs that they are, while arguing endlessly that the mass killing of fetuses is a just and noble cause. Your fainting couch is on the right. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/32 "2015-09-16T19:13:34Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > That certainly hasn’t stopped plenty of people, including the OP, from insisting that _all_ executions are wrong and should be halted. If we were talking about James Holmes, I’d pull the switch. But Glossip was an idiot talking to the dimwitted cops in the first place without a lawyer. I MAY consider that he tried to help out his friend/co-worker after he found out by delaying the discovery of the crime, but it’s not death penalty worthy. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/33 "2015-09-16T19:16:58Z")
> [@bosbfdsfd](#): > > It’s always so cute when menstruating liberals throw insane temper tantrums over murderers being put down like the dogs that they are, while arguing endlessly that the mass killing of fetuses is a just and noble cause. Your fainting couch is on the right. Do you even read what you quote? Your response has nothing to do with it. To recap: we’re complaining about putting someone to death WHO DIDN’T murder someone. The killer already confessed. How do aborted babies factor into this? I’ll also point out that 1)I’m not exactly liberal and 2)me being male makes menstruation impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/34 "2015-09-16T19:27:36Z")
> [@bosbfdsfd](#): > > menstruating liberals Tell me about your mother, bosbfdsfd. ---
**Author:** ![quimper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7c8e57/32.png) [@quimper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quimper)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/35 "2015-09-16T19:33:28Z")
> [@bosbfdsfd](#): > > It’s always so cute when menstruating liberals throw insane temper tantrums over murderers being put down like the dogs that they are, while arguing endlessly that the mass killing of fetuses is a just and noble cause. Your fainting couch is on the right. Don’t you have a Trump rally to go to or something? I hear they’re handing out [these](http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/16/15/2C61D66800000578-3236927-image-a-4_1442413142657.jpg) as a door prize ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/36 "2015-09-16T19:37:22Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > To recap: we’re complaining about putting someone to death WHO DIDN’T murder someone. The killer already confessed. Paying someone else to commit a murder is the same as pulling the trigger. Worse, in fact, since without him, the crime never occurs in the first place. > [@Lightnin](#): > > Hell, sign me up as one of those people. Until we have absolute proof that someone is guilty and deserving of death Which the justice system has provided, in that he was put on trial and found guilty. > [@](#): > > You may think that the risk of putting an innocent person to death is acceptable, but I bet you’d change your mind if you were that person. The risk of putting an innocent person to death is slim to nil. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/37 "2015-09-16T19:38:36Z")
> [@bosbfdsfd](#): > > It’s always so cute when menstruating liberals throw insane temper tantrums over murderers being put down like the dogs that they are, while arguing endlessly that the mass killing of fetuses is a just and noble cause. Your fainting couch is on the right. Abortion is noble if it allows the mother to have a better life. The death penalty isn’t noble. Especially where there are questions of guilt. I hope you don’t live in Texas Bosb, because they execute the mentally challenged there. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/38 "2015-09-16T19:39:06Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The risk of putting an innocent person to death is slim to nil. I don’t believe you. You are incapable of objectively evaluating anything related to the justice system due to the extreme trauma that you have suffered and apparently the permanent damage to your psyche it has caused. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/39 "2015-09-16T19:45:19Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The risk of putting an innocent person to death is slim to nil. :rolleyes: Yeah. We’ve done that before. It was only a few innocents. Who cares about the wrongly executed person and their friends and families anyway? That’s just a few persons’ feelings. Doesn’t matter. We’ll execute another innocent one soon. We don’t know them personally. Nothing to see, move along. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478/40 "2015-09-16T19:52:46Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > I don’t know if she authored the letter either, but she’s at the rally’s wearing the t-shirt. > > [Here’s the letter in question.](http://www.richardeglossip.com/o-ryan-justine-sneed-s-clemency-letter.html) Here’s the relevant quote from the earlier cite: > [@](#): > > Sneed’s family members have told The Frontier that a letter that Glossip’s supporters have claimed was written by Sneed’s daughter was authored on her behalf by a group of supporters taking advantage of his then-teenage daughter’s lack of knowledge about the case. > > The letter alleges that Sneed has regrets about his testimony, and wants to recant. > > Sneed said he can’t say for sure that his daughter was manipulated, but she was uninformed about the crime. > > O’Ryan Sneed grew up without her father, and her family spared her the gruesome details about his role in Van Treese’s death, he said. > > “I do not want to mislead or misguide my daughter. Even if I have to sacrifice myself, she deserves to know the truth,” Justin Sneed said. > > For nearly a year after the letter surfaced, O’Ryan Sneed has not responded to media requests for interviews or to verify that letter’s authenticity. I wouldn’t make too much of the daughter or whatever she may have written. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-oklahoma-governor-mary-fallin-and-fuck-the-death-penalty/731478.md?page=3)