# Fuck the fucking packaging of men's fucking dress shirts **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 14, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174 "2009-01-14T00:36:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/21 "2009-01-14T16:06:23Z")
You have a blood-stained shirt that you want to replace, so you purchase a nice new white shirt, but while trying to locate and remove all the straight pins from it, you prick yourself and bleed on the shirt, so you want to replace it, so you purchase a nice new white shirt, but while trying to locate and remove all the straight pins from it, you prick yourself and bleed on the shirt, so you want to replace it, so you purchase a nice new white shirt, but while trying to locate and remove all the straight pins from it, you prick yourself and bleed on the shirt, so you want to replace it, so you purchase a nice new white shirt, but while trying to locate and remove all the straight pins from it, you prick yourself and bleed on the shirt, so you want to replace it, so you purchase a nice new white shirt, but while trying to locate and remove all the straight pins from it, you prick yourself and bleed on the shirt, so you want to replace it, so you purchase a nice new white shirt, but while trying to locate and remove all the straight pins from it, you prick yourself and bleed on the shirt, so you want to replace it . . . . What I’d really like is a voodo doll of the son-of-a-bitch who insists on using straight pins to package new shirts. That way I would know what to do with every pin I have to pull out of a new shirt. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/22 "2009-01-14T16:12:33Z")
I appreciate the straight pins. Whenever I have a boil to pop, I can never seem to find a needle to lance it with, so I just go to Macy’s and buy a new shirt. That gives me like 14 pins to stash for later. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/23 "2009-01-14T16:33:51Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Dude, you have your laundry done at the cleaners? > > And your shirts need to be pressed before you’ll wear them? > > Your choices, I guess, but you knew that when you bought them. Next time, drop the unopened packages off at the cleaners on your way home. I liked “Express for Men” way better back when it was Structure, and sold smart casual clothes for awesome people, instead of dress casual clothes for yuppies. I totally don’t understand why you’d buy anything for regular wear (other than, say, a suit) that needs to be professionally cleaned and pressed. Van Heusen makes phenomenal wrinkle-free dress shirts _which are actually wrinkle-free_ - I stick them in the washing machine on the regular cycle, stick them in the dryer, and stick them on a hanger, and they look perfect. They don’t even need ironing. The best part is if you go to the mall department stores they’re usually on sale at at least one for $25ish, or even less if you don’t mind getting them in the weird colors (plum, avocado, salmon, whatever). I’ve had one of those things for nearly 10 years and it looks just about new; no fraying, no loose threads, no wobbly collar. ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/24 "2009-01-14T16:34:42Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > I’m annoyed by the over packaging of dress shirts as much as the next guy, but I wonder if OP would buy the same shirt if–in the exact same basic condition–it were just on a hanger, with some wrinkles, making it look like it were “pre-owned.” Would OP buy the shirt at, let’s say, $15, if it didn’t look so nice in its package? Bet your ass I would. It took me ten minutes to buy five shirts because I knew exactly what style and size I wanted, because I know how they fit. I just had to pick out the colors. Though I wouldn’t mind some sizing in there if it’ll make it non-wrinkled enough to wear off the hanger. I tend to find one thing that works and hang on to it for dear life. Which is why I currently own about fifteen small Express 1MX shirts in various colors, 5 pairs of Levi’s 514’s in various colors, 20 American Apparel 50/50 t-shirts in various colors, and two pairs of Gola Chase sneakers. The packaging on all that shit serves mainly to annoy me. ---
**Author:** ![THespos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@THespos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/THespos)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/25 "2009-01-14T16:40:51Z")
I’m making a plea in this thread so that I might increase the awareness of Spot Bleeding… \ ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/26 "2009-01-14T16:41:20Z")
The worst is that stealth, mostly transparent sticker, with the size on it that goes completely unnoticed until the hot girl you’re flirting with at the water cooler peels it off you. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/27 "2009-01-14T16:47:42Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > The worst is that stealth, mostly transparent sticker, with the size on it that goes completely unnoticed until the hot girl you’re flirting with at the water cooler peels it off you. Those are the worst. Clear size stickers, not hot water cooler girl. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/28 "2009-01-14T16:52:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes. Shirts of shitty inferior quality that do not last. A quality dress shirt (assuming you’re not trying to get by with just a few), when properly cared for, should last in excess of 5 years. While I usually frankly admit that I buy brand-name stuff just because I like the brand name, I have to agree with this. I bought a couple of Hawaiian shirts at Wal-Mart once and they were both pretty much unwearable after 4-5 washes. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/29 "2009-01-14T16:54:44Z")
Just miss one pin. ---
**Author:** ![Prelude\_to\_Fascination](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Prelude\_to\_Fascination](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prelude_to_Fascination)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/30 "2009-01-14T16:58:24Z")
I’m glad this thread is here, because I just received 4 shirts for Christmas, and had to disassemble them. By the time I got through, I needed a nap. Bastards. ---
**Author:** ![baileygrrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@baileygrrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/baileygrrrl)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/31 "2009-01-14T18:00:55Z")
Q: How many pins in a dress shirt? A: One more ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/32 "2009-01-14T18:28:51Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > While I usually frankly admit that I buy brand-name stuff just because I like the brand name, I have to agree with this. I bought a couple of Hawaiian shirts at Wal-Mart once and they were both pretty much unwearable after 4-5 washes. Sam Vimes used to buy his boots at the Discworld equivalent of WalMart. Now that he’s married, his wife won’t let him do that any more. Especially since she has about 50 boxes of still nearly new high quality boots in her attic. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/33 "2009-01-14T18:32:11Z")
> [@LeeshaJoy](#): > > You need a special shirt just for fucking? :dubious: One for courting One for dating One for foreplay One for fucking One for afterglow One for bragging to one’s imaginary friends It is one HELL of a wardrobe cost. This is why I got married - reduced the number of shirts I needed. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/34 "2009-01-14T18:36:29Z")
Anyone ever work at a retailer where they sell shirts like this? I am curious as to what they do when a shirt is returned or tried on/abandoned. Do the shirts have to get shipped back to the manufacturer? ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/35 "2009-01-14T19:10:50Z")
No, the shirts are worth nothing. They are taken out and buried in the backyard like a dead mongrel. The _packaging_ is shipped back to the manufacturer, as that is where the value lies. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/36 "2009-01-14T19:16:52Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > While I usually frankly admit that I buy brand-name stuff just because I like the brand name, I have to agree with this. I bought a couple of Hawaiian shirts at Wal-Mart once and they were both pretty much unwearable after 4-5 washes. Because I like you: [Paradise On A Hanger](http://www.hotshirts.com/) [Shirts of Hawaii](http://www.shirtsofhawaii.com/) All guaranteed pinless and of high quality materials and workmanship. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/37 "2009-01-14T19:21:03Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Guys really can’t either, nowadays. They’ve added us to the victims of vanity sizing. hooray. > > I went through all that rigamarole of hunting for pins, unbuttoning, etc., etc. last time I bought dress shirts. I’d bought “fitted” shirts. Apparently, “fitted” now means “mumu” – lovely things had about an extra yard of fabric that did nothing but pooch up at my waist. Ah…“fitted” shirts: the IEDs of mens’ clothing. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/38 "2009-01-14T20:01:33Z")
> [@black\_rabbit](#): > > What the fuck? Why do they even bother? And Express is actually one of the _best_ about this. Most of the department store brands come in plastic fucking bags with a half dozen little fucking _bobby pins_ in lieu of the metal clips. > > Button the fucking things if you must. Spray them with you itchy-ass sizing if you have to. But after that, will you _please_ just fold them neatly? Maybe put them on a hanger? Please? Are you kidding? By requiring the application of all these packaging layers, these clothing manufacturers are providing an almost-living wage to East Asian labor-camp orphans. Why do you hate the children? ---
**Author:** ![A\_Priori\_Tea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@A\_Priori\_Tea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_Priori_Tea)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/39 "2009-01-14T20:15:49Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > You have a blood-stained shirt that you want to replace, so you purchase a nice new white shirt, but while trying to locate and remove all the straight pins from it, you prick yourself and bleed on the shirt Suck the blood out of the shirt. No, really. If the blood is still reasonably wet, and it’s your own blood, your saliva will take it out with no stain, better than cold water. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174/40 "2009-01-14T20:25:41Z")
Tut tut…a gentleman always purchases his shirts from only the finest bespoke haberdashery. Quality is measured in direct proportion to the extent of packaging. On one occassion in my callow youth I mistakenly accepted a gift of an inferior shirt from an admirer (the less said about them the better!) My manservant Widman was nonplussed while unpacking said item, and made his displeasure known with the most withering glances. Finally he could take it no more! With a level of venom I (thankfully) never witnessed again he risked exceeding my forebearance by declaring, “FOUR PINS! No civilized shirt will ever again dare enter this house with less than the required EIGHT!” I feared that I would have to lay a cold compress on his brow. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-fucking-packaging-of-mens-fucking-dress-shirts/481174.md?page=3)