# fuck the gloved one **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 26, 2009, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008 "2009-06-26T00:39:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![SuntanTigerTamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e5b9ba/32.png) [@SuntanTigerTamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanTigerTamer)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/81 "2009-06-26T13:53:02Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > The accused tossing a kid’s salad on the witness stand in open court would be pretty compelling, I think. Even with a celebrity of Jackson’s stature, you might be looking at a hung jury. I know that someone like Mike could beat the charges even with a great deal of evidence against him, like R Kelly. I’m just wondering what the evidence against him was. I mean, it was always “common knowledge” that the dude was a pedo, but I’m starting to reexamine that. Is there anyone here who is familiar with the case against him? ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/82 "2009-06-26T14:56:23Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > One big piece of evidence is that he paid a kid $15 million to shut him up. If 15 million is pocket change for the guy, just making them go away and leave him alone may have been worthwhile. It’s not necessarily an admission of guilt. > [@](#): > > How many adult males do you know who routinely sleep with other people’s kids? None. Micheal Jackson (probably) had a stressful life, and got screwed over by adults for most of his life. He may have only felt safe (because of their percieved “innocence”) around children. [The “jesus juice” gives me pause, however.] Disclaimer: Don’t know the guy (Jackson). Just idly engaging in some devil’s advocate stuff this morning. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/83 "2009-06-26T15:06:36Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Have you met **Gonzomax**? I don’t wear pajamas. I bet that gets you all fired up. If he is a pederast, he got away with it. I always felt sorry for him. He was the wrong person to get rich and famous. He deserves a lot of the public disdain because he did so many stupid things. If appearance means anything, he was profoundly ignorant of their impact. Hanging his kid over a rail. Wearing masks and veils in public. Having his kids wear weird clothes . His strange operations that he denied. No one thing damns him but the accumulated crap he did makes anyone wonder. It adds up to a sick ans strange man . Now I feel for his kids. That bubble he lived in can not be very nuturing. They probably need a lot of help now. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/84 "2009-06-26T16:04:49Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > It’s a new Three’s Company! In a surprising twist, Hitler is the one who gets to pretend to be gay! ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/85 "2009-06-26T16:16:43Z")
> [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > Even if he was (and it was never proven in court), pedophilia is considered an eniterly seperate thing from homosexuality. I think the point being made is that he was never accused of abusing any young females; therefore homosexual pedophile as opposed to heterosexual pedophile. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/86 "2009-06-26T16:18:14Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Oh boy. That aint gonna happen. That’s why I said “I hope” instead of “I expect.” It might take 2-3 generations. But I hope the Overrated One passes into historical memory as soon as possible. And I still can’t stand his music. ---
**Author:** ![ShelliBean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@ShelliBean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShelliBean)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/87 "2009-06-26T16:18:59Z")
> [@Scissorjack](#): > > I’m bitterly disappointed. I was getting a blowjob when I heard Princess Di was dead, and I was only texting smutty messages to my girlfriend when I heard Jacko was dead. At this rate when I hear Paul McCartney has dropped off the twig I’ll be reduced to licking underwear catalogues for thrills. Wow, god didn’t just stop at killing kittens for you, did he? But I understand - every time I have a kid, a grandparent dies. I had my tubes tied out of respect for the remaining live ones. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/88 "2009-06-26T16:38:20Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Where does the separation between Gay and Male-Oriented-Pedophile break? Can we accept that, based on evidence that few, if any, underage girls accused him of coming onto them, he was both homosexual (as in, Gay) AND a pedophile? > > Really, we need to stop enabling the Male-Oriented Pedophiles because if we recognize they exist it supposedly taints the regular gays. MJ was a Male-Oriented Pedophiles and, by definition, attracted to males. That makes him gay. The attraction to children makes him a pedophile. Zactly. What do you mean, “What makes him gay?” Oh, other than the boy-fucking, nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Laudenum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@Laudenum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laudenum)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/89 "2009-06-26T18:21:33Z")
I have to admit, I never thought that he screwed kids. I was never a big fan, but everything that I read about his personal life seemed to indicate that his childhood fucked him up, and he tried to live as a child when he had the money. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/90 "2009-06-26T18:32:34Z")
> [@Laudenum](#): > > I have to admit, I never thought that he screwed kids. > > I was never a big fan, but everything that I read about his personal life seemed to indicate that his childhood fucked him up, and he tried to live as a child when he had the money. What did you think about the trials and payoffs? That may not qualify as complete proof, but when they start accumulating, you begin to have doubts. Plus he called his kid “Blanket”. That has to break some law someplace. ---
**Author:** ![koufax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ea924/32.png) [@koufax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/koufax)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/91 "2009-06-26T18:39:56Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > What are you - eight years old? > > Regards, > Shodan No, no I’m not. why do you ask? Regards, Koufax ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/92 "2009-06-26T18:52:06Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > _snip_ > Wearing masks and veils in public. > _snip_ I attribute this weird behaviour to having all those surgeries and covering up while his face was healing from them. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/93 "2009-06-26T18:55:37Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I don’t wear pajamas. I bet that gets you all fired up. Wow! So you go to court in the nude? That’ll fire up the judge, fer sure. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/94 "2009-06-26T19:00:28Z")
> [@koufax](#): > > No, no I’m not. why do you ask? > > Regards, > Koufax Did you notice a loud WHOOSH recently? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/95 "2009-06-26T20:02:31Z")
> [@](#): > > He’s a fucking PEDOPHILE. > [@](#): > > It’s weird how just because he’s dead, now everybody is saying they don’t believe he was fucking those kids. Of course he was. > [@](#): > > Michael Jackson was a child molester. We can all say it now if we want to!!! We all know it’s true, and nobody can sue us-- “libel law” doesn’t protect the dead. > [@](#): > > He was sexual deviant whose crimes were covered up by his money and fame.. …et al. I’m a bit surprised that, on a message board where you’re liable to be asked for a cite if you claim 1+1=2, there are so many posters on this badwagon after the evidence presented against him was so exceedingly weak. Even though this is a pit thread, there’s still a banner that says “fighting ignorance” at the top of the page. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/96 "2009-06-26T20:05:49Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > … the evidence presented against him was so exceedingly weak. I suppose you also think OJ was innocent… ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/97 "2009-06-26T20:28:31Z")
You don’t pay 20 million bucks to a kid you didn’t fuck. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanTigerTamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e5b9ba/32.png) [@SuntanTigerTamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanTigerTamer)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/98 "2009-06-26T20:42:50Z")
Again, if the best evidence is that he paid them, then I don’t think it’s fair to call the man a pedophile. And there is no way that you could believe that the OJ case was equivalent… ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/99 "2009-06-26T20:43:57Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > It’s a new Three’s Company! And they get Hoffa for the Friday night game of bridge. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/100 "2009-06-26T20:49:05Z")
> [@SuntanTigerTamer](#): > > Again, if the best evidence is that he paid them, then I don’t think it’s fair to call the man a pedophile. That payment was a _de facto_ admission of guilt, and while it was the _best_ evidence, it was far from the _only_ evidence. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008.md?page=6)