# fuck the gloved one **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 26, 2009, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008 "2009-06-26T00:39:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/161 "2009-06-27T03:07:14Z")
> [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > Wow! I didn’t know he was the first kid to stay there. :eek: Well, the first famous one. Macaulay states that he wasn’t a fan of his music and that’s maybe why they were friends. He would call him, jerk, or fathead and MJ would laugh. It’s part of Macaulay’s version of things that leans me toward a regressive/Peter Pan complex than towards pedophillia. But we’ll never really know, will we? Maybe if someone finds some secret papers or diary in MJ’s house or if Macaulay or some other kids change their story we’ll get some light, but till then, in this case, it’s what he said, what the boy said, and what really happened. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/162 "2009-06-27T03:09:30Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Absolutely not. > Based on the evidence presented at trial, I disagreed with OJ’s jury and agreed with Jackson’s. One has nothing to do with the other. I’m guessing the primary difference is that you’re a fan of Jackson, but not of OJ. Either that or you didn’t really look at the evidence fairly. I agree with Dio, here. That huge payout looks pretty bad. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/163 "2009-06-27T03:40:47Z")
The fact that he evidently didn’t molest Macaulay Culkin or Webster is not particularly meaningful. I think even he had the sense to know he could never get away with diddling the famous kids. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/164 "2009-06-27T03:43:02Z")
[Maureen Orth’s articles on Jackson](http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2009/06/michael-jackson-is-gone-but-the-sad-facts-remain.html) **Locrian** , I think maybe you want to recheck your facts. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/165 "2009-06-27T03:48:11Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > [Maureen Orth’s articles on Jackson](http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2009/06/michael-jackson-is-gone-but-the-sad-facts-remain.html) > > **Locrian** , I think maybe you want to recheck your facts. :rolleyes: Uh, I think I would actually put more faith on fact with Perez Hilton’s articles (Facetious). CERTAINLY never Maureen Orth. :rolleyes: Kind of like getting a movie review from _TV Guide._ At least Macaulay KNEW him. Maureen Orth didn’t. There are other articles from Huffington Post and Vanity Fair praising the weird icon. ---
**Author:** ![dgrdfd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@dgrdfd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dgrdfd)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/166 "2009-06-27T04:53:43Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > We’re pinned gloves all! > Jacko/Pedo! > Are we not black men? > WE ARE DEVO! Either you are a fucking rambling idiot or this shows how cool you are referencing the 43rd episode of the 78th season of obscure Spike TV show. How brilliantly fucking original and cool you are. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/167 "2009-06-27T05:27:50Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The fact that he evidently didn’t molest Macaulay Culkin or Webster is not particularly meaningful. I think even he had the sense to know he could never get away with diddling the famous kids. “sense” ? Are we talking about the same Michael Jackson ? The one with the detachable nose ? @\*\*dgrdfd \*\*: he’s quoting/modifying the lyrics of a [Devo song](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jocko_Homo). They were before your time, evidently. Used to be big in the 80s. And weird. But that, they still are 😛 ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/168 "2009-06-27T08:34:15Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It bothers me too that his sex crimes are being glossed over by the media, but I don’t think it’s fair to define his particular sexual patholgy as “homosexuality.” There is no evidence that he was attracted to adult males (or adult women either). He was attracted to little boys. He was a pederast. Forgive me, I may be wrong but was he ever actually convincted of anything? ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/169 "2009-06-27T09:48:58Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It bothers me too that his sex crimes are being glossed over by the media, but I don’t think it’s fair to define his particular sexual patholgy as “homosexuality.” There is no evidence that he was attracted to adult males (or adult women either). He was attracted to little boys. He was a pederast. Of course it’s fair. Homosexuality is not defined exclusively as an attraction for an _adult_ of one’s own sex. From OED: > [@](#): > > homosexual, adj. and n. > > B. n. A person who has a sexual propensity for his or her own sex; esp. one whose sexual desires are directed wholly or largely towards people of the same sex. If he was attracted to prepubescent females he would be defined as a heterosexual pedophile. As he preferred boys he was a homosexual pedophile. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/170 "2009-06-27T09:55:46Z")
Missed the edit window. It’s almost as if there’s a fear that the word homosexual will be tainted if associated with pedophilia. When you term someone a heterosexual you don’t rule out the fact that they may also be a pedophile, necrophile, etc. It’s exactlly the same with homosexual, it simply refers to the attraction for one’s own sex and does not rule out the fact that the person may have a taste for the prepubescent, the dead, etc. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/171 "2009-06-27T10:17:16Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > All we definitely know is Michael shared a bed with other people’s kids. That’s morally wrong, disgusting and creepy Bullshit. I’ve done that (shared a bed with someone else’s kids). Nothing wrong or disgusting or creepy about it. ---
**Author:** ![dgrdfd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@dgrdfd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dgrdfd)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/172 "2009-06-27T10:22:08Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > @\*\*dgrdfd \*\*: he’s quoting/modifying the lyrics of a [Devo song](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jocko_Homo). They were before your time, evidently. Used to be big in the 80s. And weird. But that, they still are 😛 Oh, I have at least heard of Devo, but they were before my time. I apologize for my comments **Ludovic**. I should not have made them. ---
**Author:** ![flodnak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/838e76/32.png) [@flodnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flodnak)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/173 "2009-06-27T13:54:46Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I was thinking it was more along the lines of: > > - Mmph mm mmph, mmphmph mpmphmm mmpph? > - Huh? > - Mmph mm mmph, mmphmph mpmphmm mmpph? > - What! > - I said, did you hear Princess Diana died? I pictured it like this: **Voice from neighboring apartment** : Princess Diana is dead! I can’t believe it! She’s dead, she’s dead, she’s de-he-he-sob! **Scissorjack** : OH YES OH GOD YES YES YES! Uncomfortable pause. **Second voice from neighboring apartment** : Have a little respect for the dead, asshole. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/174 "2009-06-27T16:14:28Z")
If an adult male non-mega celebrity held kid-tastic pool parties exclusively for young neighborhood boys, and later had his young guests sleep in his bed so they could “share stories, play games, wrestle around, and just have fun!” I don’t think we’d be having these elaborate discussions with people pondering his innocent Peter Pan-ness, how they never actually caught him red-handed with his hand on a kid’s penis, and how people are unfairly judging him. I’m pretty sure that discussion would not be occurring. ---
**Author:** ![alexandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@alexandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alexandra)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/175 "2009-06-27T17:38:55Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Of course it’s fair. Homosexuality is not defined exclusively as an attraction for an _adult_ of one’s own sex. > > From OED: > > If he was attracted to prepubescent females he would be defined as a heterosexual pedophile. As he preferred boys he was a homosexual pedophile. Yes, but no-one would start a Pit noting that Gary Glitter is a heterosexual. It’s the mindless assumption that homosexual and homosexual-paedophile are interchangeable terms that is disturbing, and it’s not a trend restricted to this thread. ---
**Author:** ![koufax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ea924/32.png) [@koufax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/koufax)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/176 "2009-06-27T18:00:58Z")
At first, I too thought he was guilty as charged but after viewing this video I have changed my opinion. Although he is (was) guilty of making his own kids wear veils or bee keeper masks or whatever. [http://toccionline.kizash.com/movies/i\_never\_copped\_a\_feel/](http://toccionline.kizash.com/movies/i_never_copped_a_feel/) ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/177 "2009-06-27T21:57:39Z")
> [@koufax](#): > > At first, I too thought he was guilty as charged but after viewing this video I have changed my opinion. > > Although he is (was) guilty of making his own kids wear veils or bee keeper masks or whatever. > [http://toccionline.kizash.com/movies/i\_never\_copped\_a\_feel/](http://toccionline.kizash.com/movies/i_never_copped_a_feel/) whetehr he did it or not, we can all at least agree he was a mentally disturbed man. Did MJ even have a drivers license? ---
**Author:** ![SuntanTigerTamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e5b9ba/32.png) [@SuntanTigerTamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanTigerTamer)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/178 "2009-06-27T22:46:51Z")
> [@astro](#): > > If an adult male non-mega celebrity held kid-tastic pool parties exclusively for young neighborhood boys, and later had his young guests sleep in his bed so they could “share stories, play games, wrestle around, and just have fun!” I don’t think we’d be having these elaborate discussions with people pondering his innocent Peter Pan-ness, how they never actually caught him red-handed with his hand on a kid’s penis, and how people are unfairly judging him. > > I’m pretty sure that discussion would not be occurring. _Only for the reason that you would never hear about it. By most accounts these were just kid-tastic pool parties. His status made him a target that allowed others to go after him for his money and paint a less than savory picture of him._ Isn’t the above explanation just as likely if we do not have any solid evidence that he was hurting those kids, and plenty of accounts of how kind and caring he was toward the kids that were there? Does it make you feel better to assume that he was a pedophile based on evidence you would never in a million years convict him for? He wasn’t my friend, I didn’t know him, and I didn’t have any attachment to his music. I just don’t understand how his pedophilia is “common knowledge” when the evidence suggesting such is so terribly scant. Also, in response to Dio’s comment that because Michael paid the money means he was guilty, I would say that the parents accepting a settlement is a sign that he was not. If someone touched my kid, I wouldn’t want a fucking penny, I would want his head. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/179 "2009-06-27T22:54:54Z")
> [@alexandra](#): > > Yes, but no-one would start a Pit noting that Gary Glitter is a heterosexual. That sounds like a dare. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008/180 "2009-06-27T22:58:58Z")
> [@SuntanTigerTamer](#): > > _Only for the reason that you would never hear about it. By most accounts these were just kid-tastic pool parties. His status made him a target that allowed others to go after him for his money and paint a less than savory picture of him._ > Isn’t the above explanation just as likely if we do not have any solid evidence that he was hurting those kids, and plenty of accounts of how kind and caring he was toward the kids that were there? Does it make you feel better to assume that he was a pedophile based on evidence you would never in a million years convict him for? > > He wasn’t my friend, I didn’t know him, and I didn’t have any attachment to his music. I just don’t understand how his pedophilia is “common knowledge” when the evidence suggesting such is so terribly scant. > Also, in response to Dio’s comment that because Michael paid the money means he was guilty, I would say that the parents accepting a settlement is a sign that he was not. If someone touched my kid, I wouldn’t want a fucking penny, I would want his head. As a 51 year old adult male I realize there is spectrum of how well adult males get along with young kids and find enjoyment in interacting with kids. Having said this romping with kids is one thing, but seeking out and constructing opportunities to sleep with unrelated kids is quite another. Re evidence being “so scant” if it quacks like a duck, files like a duck, and waddles like a duck maybe you are expecting an albatross, but I’m pretty sure a duck is in the offing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-gloved-one/501008.md?page=10)