# Fuck the Law. Fuck the Rules. Fuck Decency. This is Texas Football, motherfuckers! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2020, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507 "2020-12-07T20:06:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/1 "2020-12-07T20:06:28Z")
Yes, his parents must be so proud of him. They done raised him up right. Personally I believe his bail was set about $ 800,000 too low. Permanently being barred from participation in sports _statewide_ is the first step. Should have already happened. He should stand trial. And based on clear HD video evidence, be convicted. Expulsion from the school is a must. A Referee is an authority figure. Every single teacher in his school should assume they are in equal danger to that Referee. The referee has a concussion. Oh, and you wanna beat up defenseless adults like you’re a big man? Good- your name SHOULD be shared in public. > **[South Texas high school football player attacks referee after being ejected...](https://www.ksat.com/sports/2020/12/04/south-texas-high-school-football-player-attacks-referee-after-being-ejected-from-game/)** > > A Texas high school football player charged onto the field and bowled over a referee Thursday night, angered after being ejected from the game. -Shrug- Send him off to Juvie. Piece of shit. > **[Football player tackles ref after being ejected from game | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/12/04/football-player-tackles-referee-texas-high-school-orig-llr.cnn)** > > A South Texas high school football player was charged with assault after rushing from the sideline and knocking a referee to the ground during a game. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/2 "2020-12-07T20:13:46Z")
No comment due the ongoing investigation. It took me about 12 seconds to investigate. What’s taking them so long? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/3 "2020-12-07T20:15:43Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > What’s taking them so long? Well, it is Texas. ---
**Author:** ![lum\_s\_husband](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lum_s_husband/32/3698_2.png) [@lum\_s\_husband](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lum_s_husband)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/4 "2020-12-07T20:25:30Z")
It’s been four days! Why hasn’t he been executed? Justice delayed is justice denied!! ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/5 "2020-12-07T20:28:38Z")
People complain about bad officiating, but the truth is, this stuff goes on so often that people with better ways of making money aren’t interested in getting into officiating and never enter the pipeline that the NCAA and professional leagues ultimately select from. Refereeing jobs self-select for low competency as long as the kind of abuse that is considered normal in youth and high school leagues goes on. The above is attracting punishment only because it happened during the game and was a player caught doing it on camera. A parent doing it in the parking lot is just the expected hassle of having the job. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/6 "2020-12-07T20:37:40Z")
Couple of days ago, an assistant ref was killed in Kenya, reportedly by a spectator who plays for some team not involved in that particular game. > **[Kisii Police launch manhunt for a player suspected of punching referee to...](https://www.goal.com/en/news/kisii-police-launch-manhunt-for-a-player-suspected-of/1h3jsputjvt3uz9h5cvnukzux)** > > Police in Kisii have launched a manhunt for a player who is suspected to have punched referee John Okwoyo to death in a local tournament. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/7 "2020-12-07T20:42:22Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > People complain about bad officiating, but the truth is, this stuff goes on so often that people with better ways of making money aren’t interested in getting into officiating and never enter the pipeline that the NCAA and professional leagues ultimately select from. Refereeing jobs self-select for low competency as long as the kind of abuse that is considered normal in youth and high school leagues goes on. The above is attracting punishment only because it happened during the game and was a player caught doing it on camera. A parent doing it in the parking lot is just the expected hassle of having the job. Agreed- one reads stories about refs being confronted after games. By parents. Then again, perhaps I should be applauding the child instead of castigating him for not simply murdering the referee. ( See link to Kenya ) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/8 "2020-12-07T21:18:25Z")
He’ll be governor of Montana one day. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/9 "2020-12-07T21:45:49Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > No comment due the ongoing investigation. It took me about 12 seconds to investigate. What’s taking them so long? Well, it’s Texas. They need time to find the coach’s home, publicize his home address, telephone numbers, email address and names of spouse and all children. So that their safety and lives can be threatened. So he can “reconsider the charges filed” and drop the whole thing immediately. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/10 "2020-12-07T21:47:55Z")
The dude’s chances of playing football at a higher level are pretty much shot, so he’s got that going for him. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/11 "2020-12-07T21:54:11Z")
[He’s been charged with assault](https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/texas-high-school-football-player-who-hit-referee-charged-with-assault-team-removed-from-playoffs/). _Duron was charged with Class A assault on Friday morning following an arraignment at the Edinburg Municipal Court. A cash surety bound in the amount of $10,000 has been set for Duron._ _In addition, the Edinburg CISD announced Friday that [Edinburg is no longer eligible for postseason play](https://www.themonitor.com/2020/12/04/edinburg-high-forfeits-playoff-spot-psja-high-following-ugly-field-incident/) as a result of the incident._ My wife and I have been discussing this, since our son played HS football. While we agree on him being prevented from participating in any more sports, we disagree on the whole team getting punished (by getting kicked-out of the playoffs). I am of the opinion collective punishment is a bad idea, and his team mates end up paying a price for his behavior. However, the coaches probably bear some responsibility here, assuming this kid has played for a few years to get to this level, he should have been coached better. Also, I wonder if the officials are paid or are volunteers. For our games I believe they were paid a set amount per game, but it was a pittance (I do not recall the amount, just remembering that it was very low). So, these people officiate the games mainly because the like it, and should not expect to be harassed, much less trucked on the field. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/12 "2020-12-07T21:57:51Z")
Originally I had the same thought …“shithead is in jail, why punish the rest of the team by kicking them out of the playoffs”. Then I saw this in one of the linked stories: > Duron, who is also the team’s kicker and punter and a star wrestler, was also suspended for the remainder of the 2019-20 soccer season after a similar incident occurred on the pitch during a match last year against crosstown rival Edinburg Vela He’s pulled this shit before? And the coach still played him? Yeah, fuck 'em all. Not fair to his teammates, but absolutely necessary to slap the coach down. Even in Texas, winning shouldn’t be all there is. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/13 "2020-12-07T21:58:10Z")
Texas high school football referees are paid a base fee of $105 per game with additional incentives for long-distance travel or working games with high attendance: [https://www.uiltexas.org/athletics/officials-fee-schedule](https://www.uiltexas.org/athletics/officials-fee-schedule) Football games last around 3 hours, plus figure a minimum of 1 hour total time in transit and preparation. There are other things that highly capable people can do for $26/hr that don’t involve being verbally and physically abused for the entire time you are at work. If the alternative is making $9/hr at Wendy’s maybe it’s worth it, but this is why smarter people with more options don’t bother with refereeing. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/14 "2020-12-07T22:18:11Z")
> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > He’s pulled this shit before? And the coach still played him? Yeah, fuck 'em all. Not fair to his teammates, but absolutely necessary to slap the coach down. Even in Texas, winning shouldn’t be all there is. Firing the coach – or the whole staff – still sounds like a more appropriate penalty than punishing the whole team. Though I do get that you have to send a message that the school’s culture needs to change, these are high school kids and most of them will never play organized football again. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/15 "2020-12-07T22:57:59Z")
You make it sound like the job is performed by drunk Santas in the off season or something. It’s not a full-time gig. From what I recall from my playing days\* and from stuff my brother has said (he’s a high school soccer coach and one-time football coach), most referees are coaches from other levels of the sport. Like say… a middle school football coach being the referee for a high school game, for example. I’d think the athletic director should get some level of sanction along with the head coach; the AD because he didn’t lay down the law and say that Duron wasn’t allowed to play anymore in any sport after the soccer incident, and the head coach, because he was willing to overlook that behavior and have Duron on his team. - I recall more than once seeing referees from our games later on in the spring as coaches for track and field at other schools, and thinking “Hey- wasn’t that guy the referee in our game last fall?” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/16 "2020-12-07T23:19:54Z")
Nah, probably not. He won’t be playing for a Power 5 anytime soon, but somebody will take him. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/17 "2020-12-07T23:25:13Z")
The strange thing I found about this story is, apparently the student had been involved in a similar incident in a different sport (soccer, I think) last year. I don’t know how Texas does it, but in California, if a player or coach attacks an official, it is an automatic minimum one year ban in all sports; after the year, if the offender wishes to return to sports, they have to go through a hearing process first. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/18 "2020-12-08T00:04:23Z")
All I can say is, Thank God he didn’t kiss the ref! ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/19 "2020-12-08T07:07:19Z")
But did he stand for the National Anthem? That’s the important question ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/20 "2020-12-08T17:33:48Z")
> [@lum\_s\_husband](#): > > It’s been four days! Why hasn’t he been executed? Justice delayed is justice denied!! He’s not the right color to be executed. Looks a little too pale for that, but it’s hard to be sure. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507.md?page=2)