# Fuck the Law. Fuck the Rules. Fuck Decency. This is Texas Football, motherfuckers! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2020, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507 "2020-12-07T20:06:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/121 "2020-12-24T18:52:07Z")
Well, obviously, the punishment didn’t go far enough. The football team is supported and emerges from the school, so clearly the whole school should have been sanctioned. And of course, the school is part of the matrix of the community; surely, San Antonio deserves some sort of penalty. In fact, really, the whole state of Texas is to blame and should be punished. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/122 "2020-12-24T19:02:12Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Well, obviously, the punishment didn’t go far enough. The football team is supported and emerges from the school, so clearly the whole school should have been sanctioned. Then isn’t this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we’re not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen! ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/123 "2020-12-24T19:34:02Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > In fact, really, the whole state of Texas is to blame and should be punished. I’ll make some calls. If you have a telescope, please ignore any unusual satellite movements. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/124 "2020-12-24T20:10:33Z")
I **am** going to stand here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/125 "2020-12-24T20:39:09Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Judging from the names of those involved, and the areas around the high school, it looks like Edinburg HS serves a mostly-Hispanic community. So, since we’re playing with hypotheticals, let’s imagine a situation (one that’s a lot more plausible than “the free safety busts a cap in the ref”): Edinburg has a hot-shot wide receiver. Maintains a 3.7 GPA and has never had anything on his disciplinary record. Word’s gotten out, and two or three Division I schools are sending scouts to watch his last few games; a football scholarship would mean he’ll be the first in his family to go to college. > > Unfortunately, thanks to his dumbass teammate, his football season is over; no scouts, no scholarship, no college education. He’s headed for a career stocking shelves at the San Antonio Walmart for minimum wage. > > Does the collective punishment still seem fair? Yes. The ref who got put in the hospital was also Hispanic but I guess the race-baiting is a one-way street in the pro-assault direction. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/126 "2020-12-24T20:57:01Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > The ref who got put in the hospital was also Hispanic but I guess the race-baiting is a one-way street in the pro-assault direction. So if we don’t agree with you, we are supporting assault. I get what you’re doing now, thank you. That is very helpful. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/127 "2020-12-24T21:11:24Z")
Good thing Duron at least didn’t [brake the ref’s fuckin nose.](https://youtu.be/84VVZEw9vBs?t=57) ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/128 "2020-12-24T21:15:47Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > > > The ref who got put in the hospital was also Hispanic but I guess the race-baiting is a one-way street in the pro-assault direction. > > So if we don’t agree with you, we are supporting assault. I get what you’re doing now, thank you. That is very helpful. And also racist. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/129 "2020-12-24T21:17:27Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > > [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > > > Judging from the names of those involved, and the areas around the high school, it looks like Edinburg HS serves a mostly-Hispanic community. So, since we’re playing with hypotheticals, let’s imagine a situation (one that’s a lot more plausible than “the free safety busts a cap in the ref”): Edinburg has a hot-shot wide receiver. Maintains a 3.7 GPA and has never had anything on his disciplinary record. Word’s gotten out, and two or three Division I schools are sending scouts to watch his last few games; a football scholarship would mean he’ll be the first in his family to go to college. > > > > Unfortunately, thanks to his dumbass teammate, his football season is over; no scouts, no scholarship, no college education. He’s headed for a career stocking shelves at the San Antonio Walmart for minimum wage. > > > > Does the collective punishment still seem fair? > > Yes. > > The ref who got put in the hospital was also Hispanic but I guess the race-baiting is a one-way street in the pro-assault direction Okay. I see what type of poster you are. Incidentally, every article I’ve read about this says the ref was treated for a concussion in an ambulance at the field; nothing about being taken to a hospital. If you have a cite for that, I’d like to see it. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/130 "2020-12-24T21:28:00Z")
Indeed. This is very important re: determining if those satellites are needed. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/131 "2020-12-24T21:29:15Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Incidentally, every article I’ve read about this says the ref was treated for a concussion in an ambulance at the field; nothing about being taken to a hospital. If you have a cite for that, I’d like to see it. There’s no field treatment for concussion. He was certainly _assessed_ for a concussion by paramedics. If he wasn’t transported, he likely didn’t have one (or it was mild). [https://www.cdc.gov/headsup/basics/concussion\_whatis.html](https://www.cdc.gov/headsup/basics/concussion_whatis.html) ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/132 "2020-12-24T22:10:08Z")
> **[South Texas high school football player charged with assault after attacking...](https://www.cbs19.tv/article/news/local/high-school-football-game-turns-violent-referee-hospitalized/503-8dc25536-5e90-4d08-87d2-d176c76c2329)** > > Edinburg High School Senior Emmanuel Duron was ejected from the game. Duron jumped back on the field and slammed into Referee Fred Gracia. > Shocking video shows the player, now identified as Edinburg High School Senior Emmanuel Duron, getting ejected from the game in Edinburg. Duron then jumped back on the field and slammed into Referee Fred Gracia. > > The referee was taken to the hospital. His condition is unknown. I’m glad we’re back to determining just where the line is beyond which teams should not be able to gain a competitive advantage by making it known that they will physically harm referees. \*If any player intentionally and egregiously assaults an official e.g. in the manner that happened in this case: That’s the line for myself, the governing body of Texas high school sports, and essentially all high school sports governing bodies, who are responsible for actually dealing with the consequences of this issue. \*Only if the referee is verifiably hospitalized: Seems to be the line for Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle. \*Only if the referee is actually murdered: The line for Ruken and, giving them the benefit of the doubt, the coaches and parents of Edinburg High School. \*Not even if the referee is beaten to death by the player, but possibly if the referee is murdered with a weapon (position on shooting the ref was not shared in response to a direct question): Atamasama ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/133 "2020-12-24T22:18:23Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > I’m glad we’re back to determining just where the line is beyond which teams should not be able to gain a competitive advantage by making it known that they will physically harm referees. I’d be upset about deliberately misstating what others have said in this thread, but you’ve already revealed yourself to be a disingenuous troll so there is no point. It would be the equivalent of yelling at a robodialer. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/134 "2020-12-24T22:32:49Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > misstating what others have said in this thread Indeed. I’m quite ok with non-murderers playing football. But only if they want to. Nobody should be forced to play football. I’m putting my foot down on that one. My limb has room if anyone wants to join. We have cookies. Allergen information available upon request. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/135 "2020-12-24T23:35:16Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > [South Texas football game turns violent, referee hospitalized | cbs19.tv](https://www.cbs19.tv/article/news/local/high-school-football-game-turns-violent-referee-hospitalized/503-8dc25536-5e90-4d08-87d2-d176c76c2329) > > > Shocking video shows the player, now identified as Edinburg High School Senior Emmanuel Duron, getting ejected from the game in Edinburg. Duron then jumped back on the field and slammed into Referee Fred Gracia. > > > > The referee was taken to the hospital. His condition is unknown. > > I’m glad we’re back to determining just where the line is beyond which teams should not be able to gain a competitive advantage by making it known that they will physically harm referees. > > \*If any player intentionally and egregiously assaults an official e.g. in the manner that happened in this case: That’s the line for myself, the governing body of Texas high school sports, and essentially all high school sports governing bodies, who are responsible for actually dealing with the consequences of this issue. > > \*Only if the referee is verifiably hospitalized: Seems to be the line for Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle. > > \*Only if the referee is actually murdered: The line for Ruken and, giving them the benefit of the doubt, the coaches and parents of Edinburg High School > > \*Not even if the referee is beaten to death by the player, but possibly if the referee is murdered with a weapon (position on shooting the ref was not shared in response to a direct question): Atamasama Whereas you’re perfectly okay with preventing the wide receiver with the 3.7 GPA from getting a scholarship, and condemning him to a life of flipping burgers at McDonalds, to punish him for being on a team with a violent asshole. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/136 "2020-12-24T23:44:57Z")
I’m more concerned with the real referee than the nonsense hypothetical “wide receiver who goes from unknown in the recruiting scene to full DI scholarship in one game.” That wide receiver also doesn’t get to play his next game if his team just plain loses - should we award an extra 20 points to teams that have Hispanic wide receivers with 3.7 GPAs? ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/137 "2020-12-25T00:17:28Z")
So if I understand correctly, 1 injured ref = 1 suspended player. And the coach might not get to coach for a game or two. And the school gets a _sternly_ worded letter. Bet you run out of refs before you run out of players. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/138 "2020-12-25T00:30:42Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > 1 injured ref = 1 suspended player. > […] > Bet you run out of refs before you run out of players. One arrested and charged player. And given that these incidences are rare in a huge state, there’s nothing to bet on; they clearly haven’t run out. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/139 "2020-12-25T01:08:39Z")
My Christmas gift to you is a big animated billboard outside your bedroom window that says “THE ONLY REASON THEY ARE RARE IS BECAUSE OF THE TEAM DISQUALIFICATION PENALTY.” ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507/140 "2020-12-25T01:12:56Z")
“Jail won’t stay my hand, but by golly what about poor Joe’s post-season!” Bulldozing their families’ homes might even be more effective. I mean after all, it’s their fault they raised kids who didn’t assault officials. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-law-fuck-the-rules-fuck-decency-this-is-texas-football-motherfuckers/927507.md?page=8)