# Fuck the leftist purists **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 30, 2026, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485 "2026-05-30T00:40:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2026, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/301 "2026-06-04T08:24:40Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > Lol silly naive schmuck. You actually think the Weimar Republic wasn’t just as fascist as the Nazis? That’s hilarious. Everyone knowa the so-called Social.Democrats really just “wolf in sheeps clothing” crypto fascists, just like the National Socialists except they were open about it. it made no difference to anyone in Europe when they got elected. Do you have any cites to support these preposterously absurd claims? I really thought I’d seen it all, that nothing anybody posted anywhere on the entire world wide web could surprise me anymore, but you have managed to do that. “Crypto-fascists”! "It made no difference to anyone in Europe when [the fascists] got elected. " I may just laugh myself to death at how bizarre this is. And if you knew anything about German history you would know that the National Socialists were never actually “elected” in any kind of fair election. Hitler came to power through a coalition government in which the other parties participating believed they’d be able to control him, and his party. They could not control him, and what happened later happened. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2026, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/302 "2026-06-04T08:30:09Z")
While we’re talking about mass death I thought I’d just drop this off, > **[Research finds more than 14 million preventable deat...](https://ph.ucla.edu/news-events/news/research-finds-more-14-million-preventable-deaths-2030-if-usaid-defunding)** > > A study co-authored by a UCLA Fielding School of Public Health researcher finds that recent U.S. foreign aid cuts may lead to more than 14 million additional... Thanks ~~Harris~~ Trump! Nice work Elon! You managed to beat Hitler’s top score without even breaking a ketamine sweat! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2026, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/303 "2026-06-04T10:43:15Z")
Since they took power, Trump and Elon have almost certainly killed far more people than the Israeli government, Hamas, and Iranian government combined. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2026, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/304 "2026-06-04T11:24:41Z")
> [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > > [@griffin1977](#): > > > > Lol silly naive schmuck. You actually think the Weimar Republic wasn’t just as fascist as the Nazis? That’s hilarious. Everyone knowa the so-called Social.Democrats really just “wolf in sheeps clothing” crypto fascists, just like the National Socialists except they were open about it. it made no difference to anyone in Europe when they got elected. > > Do you have any cites to support these preposterously absurd claims? I am not @griffin1977 and cannot speak for them etc., but my guess is that your own previous identification of this post as sarcastically intended was correct. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2026, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/305 "2026-06-04T12:00:02Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I am not @griffin1977 and cannot speak for them etc., but my guess is that your own previous identification of this post as sarcastically intended was correct. I see now that this really came from @MrDibble. My apologies, @Griffin1977. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2026, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/306 "2026-06-04T12:03:43Z")
> [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > I see now that this really came from @MrDibble. My apologies, @Griffin1977. It appears Poes Law also applies to bothsiders. Though my use of crypto-facist was correct (to mean hidden fascist) its just in our godawful shit filled dumpster fire of a political system there is a whole new definition of the term to mean someone who is openly fascist but into cryptocurrency 😬 ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2026, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/307 "2026-06-04T12:51:42Z")
> The will of God prevails. In great contests each party claims to act in accordance with the will of God. Both _may_ be, and one _must_ be, wrong. God cannot be _for_ and _against_ the same thing at the same time. In the present civil war it is quite possible that God’s purpose is something different from the purpose of either party – and yet the human instrumentalities, working just as they do, are of the best adaptation to effect His purpose. I am almost ready to say that this is probably true – that God wills this contest, and wills that it shall not end yet. By his mere great power, on the minds of the now contestants, He could have either _saved_ or _destroyed_ the Union without a human contest. Yet the contest began. And, having begun He could give the final victory to either side any day. Yet the contest proceeds. > > ~Abraham Lincoln This speaks to our debate, on levels both obvious and meta. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2026, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/308 "2026-06-04T12:54:23Z")
I didn’t ever claim “the Weimar Republic was _just_ as fascist as the Nazis”. Just that it _included_ fascists hence _was_ fascist\[1\]. Griffin, for some reason, is pretending that when he said “Weimar”, only SPD-era Weimar was on the table, and hence when I said Weimar _was_ fascist I was talking about the SPD. Which is, of course, absolute disingenuous bullshit, as I very specifically mentioned von Hindenburg. * * * 1. By the well-established principle of _Undecim Nazistae ad mēnsam_ ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2026, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/309 "2026-06-04T15:08:43Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > in our godawful shit filled dumpster fire of a political system there is a whole new definition of the term to mean someone who is openly fascist but into cryptocurrency 😬 Progress of a sort, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2026, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/310 "2026-06-06T15:26:55Z")
So, here’s something I am quite curious about. If there is a hidden Progressive majority in this country, and Dems only need to run to the left to tap onto that amazing energy and start winning races all over including in red states… Why is it that of well over 150 house races that have ended so far where the DSA has made an endorsement, only _a single DSA endorsed candidate_ running in a deep blue district (Chris Rabb) has actually won the nomination? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2026, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/311 "2026-06-06T22:16:24Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > If there is a hidden Progressive majority in this country, and Dems only need to run to the left to tap onto that amazing energy and start winning races all over including in red states… Why is it that of well over 150 house races that have ended so far where the DSA has made an endorsement, only _a single DSA endorsed candidate_ running in a deep blue district (Chris Rabb) has actually won the nomination? First, due to the way that Americans have been trained the word “socialist” is poison; they’ll generally oppose it for the name alone even if they agree with it. Second, our system is built to be biased in favor of the right, it doesn’t matter who has the actual majority. Third, what matters for winning the nomination is how many people have that position in the Democratic party; not the whole country. Fourth define “progressive”. I doubt that the people who _call_ themselves “progressives” are even close to a majority, but there’s far more people who are more to the “left” than the Democratic leadership than who call themselves that name. And of course by Republican standards everyone much to the left of Hitler is a “progressive”. It should also be kept in mind that by definition, _most_ people are women or minorities and therefore targeted for death, persecution or enslavement at the hands of the Right. So in terms of self-interest at any rate most people are on the progressive side even if they don’t recognize it (they don’t get a choice, the Right won’t let them). ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/312 "2026-06-18T14:16:33Z")
> [@Cumberdale](#): > > I’m talking about the people on the so called left who could not bring themselves to vote for Hillary or Kamala because they did not fit 100% what they wanted. Hillary represented another step in the direction of a tradition of dynastic rule (Bush the Elder, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton, Bush the Younger, Bush the Younger,…and now they wanted us to vote for Hillary Clinton? A couple times? Then who…Jenna? Chelsea?) The USA exists pretty much as a protest against dynastic rule. Democrats had nobody apart from a previous president’s wife? Did they not know an election was coming up? Kamala **was not selected in the Democratic primary** , Joe Biden was. Remember that? The Party, who put Uncle Joe in the race, decided he wasn’t going to be the candidate after all and gave us Harris at the last minute. The old bait & switch? And when she didn’t win it was because of misogynistic racists on The Left, and absolutely not just principled people who disengage when they realize someone is trying to hoodwink them. I didn’t feel she was a particularly bad candidate, but I didn’t vote _for her_. I rolled my eyes, cursed the Democratic Party, and voted _against Trump_. Both parties are not the same, but they have the same goals. Republicans are the abusive dad. Democrats are the soothing mother who tends to your hurts while defending what your dad did to you. It was always going to be Trump. The Democratic Party saw to that. But yeah, keep blaming people who had nothing to do with who ended up on the ballot. Pay attention OP. Our elections, even the presidency now, are just a puppet show to keep us distracted. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/313 "2026-06-18T14:24:49Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Kamala **was not selected in the Democratic primary** , Joe Biden was. Remember that? The Party, who put Uncle Joe in the race, decided he wasn’t going to be the candidate after all and gave us Harris at the last minute. The old bait & switch? Fascinating - so Joe Biden won the primary, or “the party put Uncle Joe in the race”? Which was it? At the time when Biden stepped down, you wanted the party to have a very late and very short primary? Really? What about all the fundraising implications that meant someone from the ticket had to stay on to count as the same campaign? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/314 "2026-06-18T14:29:43Z")
😒 Kind of hard to win a primary if the party doesn’t let you run in it. The party let him run in it, and then pulled him after the people chose him. Did you forget there was a Democratic primary that Kamala did not win? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/315 "2026-06-18T14:37:43Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Kind of hard to win a primary if the party doesn’t let you run in it. Who did “The Party” not let run in the Primary? > [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Did you forget there was a Democratic primary that Kamala did not win? Nope, I didn’t forget - Biden won and when his health issues worsened he let his running mate take over the ticket. For ease of reference, here is the Wiki article for the 2024 Democratic Primary: > **[2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries)** > > Joe Biden > Kamala Harris\[g\] Who did “The Party” prevent from running and how did they do so? > [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > and then pulled him after the people chose him. …what? [![](https://media.tenor.com/b8BwEkE-DfEAAAAd/joe-biden.gif) ](https://media.tenor.com/b8BwEkE-DfEAAAAd/joe-biden.gif) (This is a dumb meme but it fits here too perfectly, it’sthe perfect response for incomprehensible anti-Biden drivel) Biden dropped out, the party didnt “pull him”. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/316 "2026-06-18T14:46:17Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Who did “The Party” not let run in the Primary? 😆 Whatever dude. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/317 "2026-06-18T14:50:48Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > Who did “The Party” not let run in the Primary? > > 😆 Whatever dude Right answer - there’s no one who “The Party” didn’t allow to run. Serious candidates simply didn’t want to throw away their political career on a primary challenge against a sitting president running for a nomination for his second term. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/318 "2026-06-18T14:53:20Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Hillary represented another step in the direction of a tradition of dynastic rule (Bush the Elder, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton, Bush the Younger, Bush the Younger,…and now they wanted us to vote for Hillary Clinton? A couple times? Then who…Jenna? Chelsea?) The USA exists pretty much as a protest against dynastic rule. Since the other stupidity has been covered. How the fuck are you counting re-elections as dynastic rule??? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/319 "2026-06-18T15:00:56Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > How the fuck are you counting re-elections as dynastic rule??? He also left out the Kennedys (if examples where a second memeber of the family ran but did not win count) and the Roosevelts. “_If I had a nickel for every time the United States elected two presidents from the same family, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice._” ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485/320 "2026-06-18T15:10:55Z")
John Adams and his son John Quincy Adams. William Henry Harrison and his grandson Benjamin Harrison. Madison and Taylor were second cousins. But, clearly the United States exists as a protest against dynastic rule for all of its history, and that, and that alone (although I’m quite certain, _NOT_), is why we shouldn’t have nominated Hillary Clinton. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-leftist-purists/1030485.md?page=17)