# Fuck the Motherfucking Pope **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 20, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182 "2010-05-20T21:15:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/841 "2010-06-03T12:10:42Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Please give examples. I, too, would like to see a cite or two on this. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/842 "2010-06-03T12:11:42Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > How fascinating. How non-responsive…and expected. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/843 "2010-06-03T12:47:33Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Please give examples. Hasn’t this already been covered, in this very thread? Per [the RCC in Humanae Vitae](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indirect_abortion): > [@](#): > > This view is also held in the 1968 encyclical Humanae Vitae, which says that “the Church does not consider at all illicit the use of those therapeutic means necessary to cure bodily diseases, even if a foreseeable impediment to procreation should result there from—provided such impediment is not directly intended for any motive whatsoever”. Paul VI quotes Pius XII in a 1953 address to the Italian Association of Urology. Example already noted: removal of fallopian tube in an ectopic pregnancy. The removal of a cancerous tissue where the unavoidable and indirect result was the death of the fetus. That kind of thing. The RCC permits it; therefore, it is wrong, as many have asserted, to say the RCC holds the mother’s health as valueless relative to the fetus. That is false–the mother’s health clearly is assigned value, even to the point of allowing the death of the fetus in the circumstances noted. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/844 "2010-06-03T13:06:25Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > How non-responsive…and expected. Let me spell it out for you, then: I have no further interest in getting called vile names and accused of approving of vile acts. If someone has a factual question they wish answered, we have a forum for that, and I’m happy to supply whatever knowledge I have in the service of answering that factual question. Answering that factual question here is simply an invitation for more abuse to be heaped on me, and I’m tired of it. This thread is intended to be a vehicle to attack catholics and the Catholic Church, and a poster offering up information or evidence that does NOT serve that goal is attacked with all the fury of a rabid pit bull. So I’m going to decline your unkind invitation to slobber more rabid saliva my way. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/845 "2010-06-03T13:26:30Z")
Oh come on, you willingly entered into a thread titled, “Fuck the Motherfucking Pope”, and at post #844 you decide to take the high moral ground of not wanting to be rabidly attacked for defending church/pope? Seriously? And you think others see this as anything other than you weaseling out of a losing argument, that the church’s actions, are in any way defensible? That’s so lame, I mean, even for you. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/846 "2010-06-03T14:01:34Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I have to figure tie goes to the runner. In this case, the woman. Ah ha! You have finally revealed yourself to be the limbist we all suspected you were. Asshole. Plus, how do you know the wife is a woman? What’s wrong with you man? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/847 "2010-06-03T15:00:02Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Let me spell it out for you, then: I have no further interest in getting called vile names and accused of approving of vile acts. Let me spell it out for YOU, then: If you didn’t approve of vile acts, you wouldn’t be called vile names for it. You’ve chosen to take a stand, and you need to either accept the consequences or consider changing your stand. It has been explained to you in excruciating detail why you, and the organization you’ve chosen to represent here, are indeed approving of, and even committing, vile acts. That is not “slobbering”, it’s merely shoving the truth in your face. And you can’t make yourself confront what your choices have made you. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/848 "2010-06-03T15:22:11Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > This thread is intended to be a vehicle to attack catholics and the Catholic Church, and a poster offering up information or evidence that does NOT serve that goal is attacked with all the fury of a rabid pit bull. It is _not_. This thread is intended to be a vehicle to attack the \*actions \*of catholics and the Catholic Church, and any poster who excuses those actions is going to be attack with all the fury of a rabid pit bull… because those actions are, put simply, _inexcusable_. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/849 "2010-06-03T15:23:40Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > [idle question] Wouldn’t it be easier for them to become a teacher? I know nothing about how one becomes a priest but I imagine it’s more difficult than becoming an elementary school teacher. [/iq] Those who’ve followed my utter rage at this topic for close to 10 years know I am not backing down one bit here. I agree with **HNC**. It is probably more complicated to become an ordained priest than it is to become a 1st year teacher in a public school. The issue here is that every teacher in a public school is held to a very different measure than parochial school teachers, and of course, priests. The sticky question is this: Is it safer to leave a small child alone with a priest or with a teacher ? And, I’ll throw this in for the long-view moral angle: Rabbi means teacher. What does priest mean? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/850 "2010-06-03T15:32:42Z")
[Elder, from the Latin _presbyter_.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest#Terminology) ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/851 "2010-06-03T15:56:01Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > It is _not_. This thread is intended to be a vehicle to attack the \*actions \*of catholics and the Catholic Church, and any poster who excuses those actions is going to be attack with all the fury of a rabid pit bull… because those actions are, put simply, _inexcusable_. Not to **Bricker** they’re not. Speaking purely hypothetically and without an innuendo, suggestion, hint or threat either implied or stated towards any one Doper in any manner shape or form, what would be the position of any poster in this thread if his/her 9 year old son came home with a lot stories to tell and semen and blood in his underpants which happened to be a perfect DNA match to the local priest with whom that son had spent the afternoon? Wonder what excuses would be offered up then. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/852 "2010-06-03T16:06:37Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > Speaking purely hypothetically and without an innuendo, suggestion, hint or threat either implied or stated towards any one Doper in any manner shape or form, what would be the position of any poster in this thread if his/her 9 year old son came home with a lot stories to tell and semen and blood in his underpants which happened to be a perfect DNA match to the local priest with whom that son had spent the afternoon? > > Wonder what excuses would be offered up then. You’re actually hearing Bricker offer excuses for such behavior? I read the opposite. I guess I’m reading a different thread. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/853 "2010-06-03T16:11:32Z")
He’s been offering excuses for excusing it, actually. He’s been defending the covering up, not the actions themselves. So he’s merely an accomplice. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/854 "2010-06-03T16:37:49Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He’s been offering excuses for excusing it, actually. He’s been defending the covering up, not the actions themselves. I didn’t hear him defend the cover-up–quite the contrary. What did I miss? ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/855 "2010-06-03T17:41:31Z")
Myself, I heard lots of equivocating. Swim coaches do it to, that’s civil law not canon, they have agreed to change protocol, blah, blah, blah.😕 ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/856 "2010-06-03T17:51:17Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > Myself, I heard lots of equivocating. Swim coaches do it to, that’s civil law not canon, they have agreed to change protocol, blah, blah, blah.😕 Sorry, that’s not defending the cover-up or defending the actions of the pedophile priests. Or I missed it. Can you provide a cite where Bricker defended the cover-up? I heard him do the opposite. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/857 "2010-06-03T18:04:16Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > Myself, I heard lots of equivocating. Swim coaches do it to, that’s civil law not canon, they have agreed to change protocol, blah, blah, blah.😕 You left out my favorite, “It was the 70s, everybody was underestimating the seriousness of pedophilia.” (Ignoring the minor techincality of the Vatican continuing to engage in coverups for a couple of extra decades.) ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/858 "2010-06-03T18:12:18Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I’d think that “cannon law” applies considerably more to **Shot From Guns** than the rest of us. :smack: > [@redtail23](#): > > If you were dying, you not only can’t kill me for my organs, you can’t even require me to give blood, something that doesn’t really cost me anything. False equivalence. Pregnancy is a natural process; supporting a fetus in my uterus is not the same as donating blood or organs. I brought up the example of organ donation because it showed the “kill one person to save another, when otherwise both would die” paradigm with two adults. The RCC’s ultimate goal is the preservation _of life_. Once a woman is pregnant, even if she isn’t pregnant by her own choice, the protobabything’s right to live is equal to her right to live, which certainly means its right to live supercedes her right to not be pregnant. (Again, please note, this is my _interpretation of the RCC position_, which I personally find abhorrent.) > [@](#): > > That is NOT “exactly as important”, no matter how many times you say it. The zygote/fetus/etc is MORE IMPORTANT than the woman, it is treated preferentially to the woman in every single case. Except you’ve already been shown that there are cases where that doesn’t hold. Anywhere the RCC can play bullshit word games and cover its ass, it does–you just can’t \*directly \*abort. So, for example, if you have cancer, you can get chemo even if it would terminate the pregnancy. That’s \*certainly \*putting the health of the mother above the health of the protobabything. (Just like it’s perfectly a-ok to fuck your wife and pull out before orgasm, or just not have sex when she’s likely to be fertile, but if you use a condom instead, that’s a sin.) So, like I keep saying and you keep frothing past: \*\*LET’S BE ACCURATE \*\*in why we loathe them. Because anything we exaggerate about is something they can throw back in our faces and say “Nuh-uh, look at this!” about. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/859 "2010-06-03T18:44:00Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > (Just like it’s perfectly a-ok to fuck your wife and pull out before orgasm, or just not have sex when she’s likely to be fertile, but if you use a condom instead, that’s a sin.) No. The withdrawal method isn’t allowed by the RCC. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182/860 "2010-06-03T19:12:16Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > No. The withdrawal method isn’t allowed by the RCC. My bad. Just timing sex to her cycle, then. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-motherfucking-pope/540182.md?page=44)