# Fuck the NRA **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 1, 2015, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184 "2015-10-01T23:02:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Grsz11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grsz11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grsz11)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/1 "2015-10-01T23:02:02Z")
That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/2 "2015-10-01T23:08:52Z")
Hard to argue with the sentiment. It’s a national organization that puts its own prestige, political power, and funding above the lives of its constituency. Which isn’t that big a deal… I often think the same thing about Congress… but when you start blaming the victims of a shooting because if they’d had their OWN guns, they wouldna got SHOT, you’ve officially fallen lower than toecheese in my book. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/3 "2015-10-01T23:39:50Z")
> [@Grsz11](#): > > That is all. sept 2015 join date :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/4 "2015-10-01T23:41:40Z")
> [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > Hard to argue with the sentiment. It’s a national organization that puts its own prestige, political power, and funding above the lives of its constituency. > > Which isn’t that big a deal… I often think the same thing about Congress… but when you start blaming the victims of a shooting because if they’d had their OWN guns, they wouldna got SHOT, you’ve officially fallen lower than toecheese in my book. Again :rolleyes: How is that blaming the victims? ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/5 "2015-10-01T23:46:49Z")
Just so I dont :rolleyes: all the time this is a multifaceted problem. For example, recent research iirc has shown that violent video games can lead to real life in violence prone people. Our mental health infrastructure is non-existant. We arent vigilant as communities for people who might be at risk of violence. And many other factors… And the killer is the only one who is responsible for the crimes. Everyone, of all persuasions, are sickened by these acts. Please, no scapegoating. That leads to more violence. ---
**Author:** ![Dan\_Norder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4af34b/32.png) [@Dan\_Norder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dan_Norder)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/6 "2015-10-01T23:54:06Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Please, no scapegoating. That leads to more violence. Please, no ignorant rationalizations. That has actually led to more violence. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/7 "2015-10-01T23:59:49Z")
> [@Dan\_Norder](#): > > Please, no ignorant rationalizations. That has actually led to more violence. Please no stupidity. It leads to more stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/8 "2015-10-02T00:36:07Z")
Let’s go to the quarry and throw our guns down there. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/9 "2015-10-02T00:40:12Z")
Straight Dope Message Board admins announce that the “Pit” is to be renamed “The Quarry”. Oh, and fuck the NRA. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/10 "2015-10-02T00:45:09Z")
> [@Subterraneanus](#): > > Let’s go to the quarry and throw our guns down there. And our christians too ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/11 "2015-10-02T00:45:37Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > sept 2015 join date :rolleyes: He’s making more sense than you are. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/12 "2015-10-02T01:07:14Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > He’s making more sense than you are. Maybe so but please explain how the NRA is responsible for something that we know nothing about? If this christian angle is accurate might not athiests be to blame in this moronic series of blame games? Lets try to figure out why he killed first. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/13 "2015-10-02T01:09:46Z")
Fuck the NRA. Doesn’t matter why this guy did what he did. The NRA is a domestic terrorist organization and needs to be suppressed with extreme prejudice. ---
**Author:** ![Club\_33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@Club\_33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Club_33)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/14 "2015-10-02T01:13:50Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > For example, recent research iirc has shown that violent video games can lead to real life in violence prone people. Violet video games lead to real life? I had no idea. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/15 "2015-10-02T01:15:22Z")
> [@Club\_33](#): > > Violet video games lead to real life? > > I had no idea. Baboso…in people who are inclined to violence, video games might lead to real world violence…but still 😛 ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/16 "2015-10-02T01:16:49Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Fuck the NRA. Doesn’t matter why this guy did what he did. The NRA is a domestic terrorist organization and needs to be suppressed with extreme prejudice. Mirror image whackos like you think Planned Parenthood is also a terrorist organization. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/17 "2015-10-02T01:55:45Z")
I don’t think that the NRA is a “terrorist” organization in any way. But I still hate them, because they treat even the most moderate gun safety legislation as if it were seizing guns from private homes. They fought, for instance, against propellant taggant laws, which would be useful in the forensic identification of gun criminals. I also hate right-wing hate radio, which has already begun lying about what Obama said in his speech. “Now he’s attacking gun owners.” Nothing he said in his speech is an attack on gun owners. But the liars are gonna lie. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/18 "2015-10-02T02:01:42Z")
Funny thing is, [there was a time when the NRA **endorsed** gun control](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association#Contemporary_history). > [@](#): > > **Contemporary history** > > The NRA formed its Legislative Affairs Division to update members with facts and analysis of upcoming bills,[20] after the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) became the first federal gun-control law passed in the U.S.[21] Karl Frederick, NRA President in 1934, during congressional NFA hearings testified “I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I seldom carry one. … I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.”[22] The NRA supported the NFA along with the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), which together created a system to federally license gun dealers and established restrictions on particular categories and classes of firearms.[23] > > Until the middle 1970s, the NRA mainly focused on sportsmen, hunters and target shooters, and downplayed gun control issues. However, passage of the GCA galvanized a growing number of NRA gun rights activists, including Harlon Carter. In 1975, it began to focus more on politics and established its lobbying arm, the Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA), with Carter as director. The next year, its political action committee (PAC), the Political Victory Fund, was created in time for the 1976 elections.[24]:158 The 1977 annual convention was a defining moment for the organization and came to be known as “The Cincinnati Revolution.”[25] Leadership planned to relocate NRA headquarters to Colorado and to build a $30 million recreational facility in New Mexico, but activists within the organization whose central concern was Second Amendment rights defeated the incumbents and elected Carter as executive director and Neal Knox as head of the NRA-ILA.[26][27] > > **Shift to politics** > > After 1977, the organization expanded its membership by focusing heavily on political issues and forming coalitions with conservative politicians, most of them Republicans.[28] With a goal to weaken the GCA, Knox’s ILA successfully lobbied Congress to pass the Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA) of 1986 and worked to reduce the powers of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). In 1982, Knox was ousted as director of the ILA, but began mobilizing outside the NRA framework and continued to promote opposition to gun control laws.[29] > > At the 1991 national convention, Knox’s supporters were elected to the board and named staff lobbyist Wayne LaPierre as the executive vice president. The NRA focused its attention on the gun control policies of the Clinton Administration.[30] Knox again lost power in 1997, as he lost reelection to a coalition of moderate leaders who supported movie star Charlton Heston, despite Heston’s past support of gun control legislation.[31] In 1994, the NRA unsuccessfully opposed the Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB), but successfully lobbied for the ban’s 2004 expiration.[32] Heston was elected president in 1998 and became a highly visible spokesman for the organization. In an effort to improve the NRA’s image, Heston presented himself as the voice of reason in contrast to Knox.[33]:262–268 ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/19 "2015-10-02T02:03:09Z")
> [@Grsz11](#): > > That is all. Bambi? Is that you? Thumper ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184/20 "2015-10-02T02:05:12Z")
> [@DinoR](#): > > Bambi? Is that you? > Thumper [cha-CHOONK] Yes, Thumper, this is Bambi . . . come out of your hole and let’s play . . . [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-nra/733184.md?page=2)