# Fuck: the US policy in the Mid-East **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 3, 2004, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-us-policy-in-the-mid-east/232279 "2004-03-03T11:02:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-us-policy-in-the-mid-east/232279/21 "2004-03-04T07:28:44Z")
> [@Really Not All That Bright](#): > > Half of my fraternity is Jewish- will that do? No, it won’t - there are anti-Israeli Jews just as there are Americans who seem to hate everything American. So - this isn’t proof either way. > [@](#): > > If you’d paid attention to anything I’ve posted in other threads you’d be quite clear that I’m anti-bigotry in any form. Can’t say I’ve run into any of your writing here in the past - I’m still relatively new here (less than a year). Maybe I’m wrong, in which case I appologize - but you sure pushed all the right buttons further up the thread! > [@](#): > > Now- fuck off. I’m calling them like I see them. Your pattern of expression above was **typically** anti-Israeli and anti-semitic. Again - I may be wrong, in which case I’ve already appologized, but you very definitely seem to have a negative knee-jerk reaction to Israel, which is what got to me in the first place. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck… I’ll assume it’s a duck until proven otherwise. OTOH, I _do_ absolutely take back the dig about “some of your best friends…”. Out of line, even for the pit. OK? Dani ---
**Author:** ![Necro\_Romancer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/50afbb/32.png) [@Necro\_Romancer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Necro_Romancer)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-us-policy-in-the-mid-east/232279/22 "2004-03-04T07:37:20Z")
Of course. You can’t support a nation regardless of what actions they take, but Israel isn’t nearly at the place where we would need to do that. Change the fence/barrier/whatever to the proper border lines, and give back settlements not taken in war. Others should remain in Israel’s possession. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-us-policy-in-the-mid-east/232279/23 "2004-03-04T12:25:05Z")
> [@Really Not All That Bright](#): > > 2% of Americans are technically Jewish; as many as 9% have a strongly Jewish background. Plus Jews have a higher median income and are twice as likely to hold a degree. This makes them a lot more likely to vote. > > Perhaps most importantly of all, American Jews tend to be heavily concentrated in states with a LOT of Electoral College clout- New York, Florida, and California. Uh, and some Jews have money, I hear. Not that I’m being anti-Semitic. I’m just saying. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-us-policy-in-the-mid-east/232279/24 "2004-03-04T13:29:19Z")
> [@](#): > > Change the fence/barrier/whatever to the proper border lines, and give back settlements not taken in war. Others should remain in Israel’s possession. While I don’t want to turn this lovely waste of a Pit thread into something substantial… 1. The wall there is basically there to defend themselves. I can’t argue with that. It serves two purposes, one of which you sort of mentioned. It will be a major symbol that “this land over here is OURS” and may keep Palestinian terrorists out. But the latter part only needs to work halfway to be worth the cost. 2. The “settlements taken by war” include everything. The whole area was conquered by Israel in wars. But I don’t think that’s what you meant. ---
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-us-policy-in-the-mid-east/232279/25 "2004-03-04T14:03:09Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > Uh, and some Jews have money, I hear. Not that I’m being anti-Semitic. I’m just saying. Yeah - and some **non** -Jews have money, too. So what exactly is your point (except making a non-anti-semitic :rolleyes: remark about “all those rich Jews” )? Dani ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-us-policy-in-the-mid-east/232279/26 "2004-03-04T14:49:47Z")
> [@Really Not All That Bright](#): > > _would_ you or your family vote for a candidate who said he’d withdraw support from Israel? It depends. I vote for the whole candidate, and Israel is far from my only issue in choosing a candidate. The context would depend, as well: what do you even mean by “withdrawing support from Israel”? That could mean many things in many situations. Conversely, what does “supportive of Israel” mean? To me, being supportive of Israel means promoting activity which will lead to less random violence there, not to mention being supportve of _all_ its citizens, Jews and non-Jews alike. Would I like to see a President who would call the Israeli government on the carpet for allowing continued settlement activity, and for continued human rights violations? Hell yes. ---
**Author:** ![Necro\_Romancer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/50afbb/32.png) [@Necro\_Romancer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Necro_Romancer)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-us-policy-in-the-mid-east/232279/27 "2004-03-04T18:36:10Z")
[QUOTE=smiling bandit] While I don’t want to turn this lovely waste of a Pit thread into something substantial… 1. The wall there is basically there to defend themselves. I can’t argue with that. It serves two purposes, one of which you sort of mentioned. It will be a major symbol that “this land over here is OURS” and may keep Palestinian terrorists out. But the latter part only needs to work halfway to be worth the cost. 2. The “settlements taken by war” include everything. The whole area was conquered by Israel in wars. But I don’t think that’s what you meant.[/Q] 1. The barrier works. [1.](http://www.news-israel.net/news.asp?id=2658) [2.](http://www.cbn.com/CBNNews/News/040302d.asp) The first is in Hebrew, the second isn’t. There are better sources, but I don’t have time to go through archives today. If this is still a topic of discussion, could someone else help? 2. Right, wars that others have started to destroy Israel. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-the-us-policy-in-the-mid-east/232279.md?page=1)