# Fuck These Sensitive Peace-Lovers, Fuck Them **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 21, 2003, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043 "2003-03-21T05:46:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/41 "2003-03-22T00:29:50Z")
It’s easy for a wait of a couple of minutes to seem like longer. however, **Kieth** said it was twenty minutes, and as a fellow Doper, I trust him on that. That is a _bloody_ long time to wait for service because an employee is having a conversation. If I didn’t do my job for twenty minutes, I’d be looking for a new job the next day. IMHO, it _is_ valid to include her liberalism in this rant because many liberals, like many conservatives, tend to give their political views an almost religious dimension. I’m sure if she’d been talking about movies or something, she’d not have blocked the waiting customer from her mind so easily. Nope. Not in the workplace. If she can’t do the job she’s paid to do, there are plenty of unemployed folk who can. ---
**Author:** ![Geek\_Mecha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecae2f/32.png) [@Geek\_Mecha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Geek_Mecha)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/42 "2003-03-22T00:41:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mhendo \* > **But i have little sympathy for the OP. By his own admission, he actually brought up the topic with the bartender, and then gets pissed off when her feelings on the subject don’t mesh with his own. It’s a bit unseemly to ask a service worker about their opinion on something, and then proceed to berate them when they don’t fit into your own narrow little set of preconceptions. All she did was tell you that she felt bad, and that she was “upset,” “depressed” and “anxious.” These were simply her feelings, not an argument or a political position; and you then proceed to tell her that “perhaps her reaction was a bit much.” Who are you dictate her feelings? They may seem illogical or irrational to you, but that’s none of your concern. Ever consider that she was ignoring you on purpose because you acted like an asshole?** Nonsense. He disagreed with her opinion, but he was not immediately upset by it. The OP only became upset after his requests for service were ignored for 20 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/43 "2003-03-22T00:58:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Spit \* > This is a debate? \< **rjung** checks sign over the door\> “The BBQ Pit.” Nope, looks like the usual Pit-worthy grousing to me. Have at it. ---
**Author:** ![Road\_Rash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Road\_Rash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Road_Rash)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/44 "2003-03-22T01:12:57Z")
I second you, Audery K, and all those who find this incredibly unprofessional. I especially love mhendo’s line, “.” Who are you dictate her feelings? They may seem illogical or irrational to you, but that’s none of your concern." This was by far the op’s major concern. The main concern was GETTING ANOTHER BEER. Since when is it unusual for bartenders to get into sometimes heated debates with the customers. I have, and the bartender kept bringing the drinks, I tipped well, and I neither left or refused service in anger. Part of being a bartender, especially when there is not much of a crowd, is to converse with the clients and add amiable atmosphere. Had the bartender served the beer in a timely manner, she would likely gotten a much better tip. Now one customer’s tip is not much, but good PR will encourage patrons to bring more patrons. Everyone had issues, but when on the job, leave your personal issues at home. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Goo\_Fee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Doctor\_Goo\_Fee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Goo_Fee)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/45 "2003-03-22T01:21:51Z")
You people make me sick… (some of you) One guy’s pissed off cuz the cute granola bartender he was scoping actually turns out to be a little too liberal to try to screw… The granola chick’s too concerned about looking left-wing enough in front of her Atari shirt wearing friends to pour a simple beer… The techchick, like many so-called alcoholics, is so obsessed with her self-described disease that she can’t think any farther than her last drink even if it was many, many, one-days-at-a-time ago… and has NOTHING to do with the subject at hand. Get outside your own measly, pitiful lives and problems, you self-involved morons-- there is a lot going on… and not just the current war, either… It’s like this everywhere… i have had it with the selfish, tunnel-vision hypocrisy— all this shit is just like the shit-fucks i see every day-- one more self-involved idiot more worried about spilling his latte than running down an old lady, or some teen-twit too obsessed with their own gluttony to say engage in common courtesy… it goes on and on and on… ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/46 "2003-03-22T01:23:15Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s like this everywhere… i have had it with the selfish, tunnel-vision hypocrisy— all this shit is just like the shit-fucks i see every day-- one more self-involved idiot more worried about spilling his latte than running down an old lady, or some teen-twit too obsessed with their own gluttony to say engage in common courtesy… it goes on and on and on… Somebody needs a hug. ---
**Author:** ![Road\_Rash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Road\_Rash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Road_Rash)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/47 "2003-03-22T01:27:07Z")
SHADDUP AND GIVE ME A BEER, WOMAN!! ---
**Author:** ![Estilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Estilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Estilicon)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/48 "2003-03-22T01:37:16Z")
> [@](#): > > ``` > But last night she revealed her true colors: another processed and mindless member of the Hip Leftist Culture, espousing vegatarianism, disarmarment, and Third World debt forgiveness simply because it's the goddamn cool thing to say right now......I say now that these radical peace-nik leftist types are just as moronic in their blind adoption of "ideals" as the most deranged right-wing militia camped out in the backwoods and screaming about the federal government are. > > ``` I think this is the key of all the rant, the op is a fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/49 "2003-03-22T01:46:08Z")
Well, if I have gathered anything from reading this thread it is that _someone, somewhere_ is an idiot, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Cyrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Cyrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyrin)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/50 "2003-03-22T01:50:53Z")
20 Minutes for a BEER!!! Here in Canada, that’s the one crime which we still use capital punisment for! errr… or we SHOULD anyways… ---
**Author:** ![TeaElle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@TeaElle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeaElle)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/51 "2003-03-22T02:14:33Z")
The OP clearly stated that he is “no fan of this war” himself, it was only the bartender’s extremism in her anti-war position that he couldn’t go so far with. So it wasn’t that he was mad because he disagreed with her, he was mad because she was a ranting looney (and I don’t think that the stripe of looney that she was particularly mattered) and let that interfere with her work. And I agree with him. Work is for working. If you need to deal with your personal issues via extended talking then call in sick and hie thyself to your mother, your minister, your friends, your therapist, a talk session at the local peace activism center or whatever appropriate venue for the particular situation. ---
**Author:** ![Diff\_T](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@Diff\_T](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diff_T)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/52 "2003-03-22T02:51:48Z")
I don’t think the OP is an idiot, or has anything against vegetarianism or people who believe in disarmament. I think he has a problem when people believe in these things for simple reasons, one of which is that it might be a lifestyle choice rather than a choice in personal belief. I’ve met a lot of people who have admitted to being this way when they were younger. I’m sorry, but I see it a lot. Some people take the Mr. Mackey approach: “Guns are bad… Mmm’Kay. Guns kill a lot of people, Mmm’Kay.” I was at work and on brake; the TV was on to war coverage. Some woman I don’t know sitting next to me said: “This war is ridicules” I ask, with a sense that she might not know what she’s talking about, why she felt that way. She replied: “All these troops risking their lives” I asked if she thought the reasons for the war were ridiculous. She replied: “Oh, for sure! For sure!” I asked what she found so ridiculous. She replied: “The whole thing.” “Like What?”, I asked. The point is, she NEVER got at all specific about why she thought the war was unjust. She just kept on spouting, “the people, the people”. Sure the troops are very important, but there are a lot of people being hurt and killed every day, for no good reason. Why is she so vocal now!? Perhaps it’s because EVERYONE is. Maybe Martin Sheen won her over. I don’t pretend like I know everything about this war. I take a ‘pro action’ stance right now. But I WELCOME opposing arguments with an open mind. I know I don’t know all there is, (not even close), to the war. That’s why I’m not in a firm position to try and show the world the follies of its ways. I know my place. As much as some of these simple-minded protesters must piss-off believers of “pro action”, it’s probably more discouraging for the educated anti-war believers. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Wrong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@Mr.Wrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Wrong)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/53 "2003-03-22T03:17:35Z")
> [@](#): > > _posted by Doctor Goo Fee_ > Get outside your own measly, pitiful lives and problems, you self-involved morons-- there is a lot going on… Oh, man is that beautifully said. May I have for sig purposes? ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/54 "2003-03-22T03:37:24Z")
Damn it, Wong – You beat me to it! Had I have been the young bartender’s boss, I would have talked with her briefly and quietly. But on the first night of a war, I think people need to cut each other a little slack. > [@](#): > > She expressly said that she doesn’t have a loved one over there. Which means that she has no more issues to deal with over this war than anybody else does. In your second sentence you jumped to a conclusion. It is not always that simple. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/55 "2003-03-22T03:41:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diff T \* > \*\* > > The point is, she NEVER got at all specific about why she thought the war was unjust. She just kept on spouting, “the people, the people”. > > … > > As much as some of these simple-minded protesters must piss-off believers of “pro action”, it’s probably more discouraging for the educated anti-war believers. \*\* Of course, the flip-side of the coin is equally annoying. I have overheard conversations in which the people fully supported the war, but obviously had no clue as to why we’re fighting it. (Much like those ijits who think that Saddam masterminded the 9/11 attacks.) ---
**Author:** ![Diff\_T](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@Diff\_T](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diff_T)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/56 "2003-03-22T03:57:26Z")
Lissa, that sounds a lot worse actually. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/57 "2003-03-22T04:06:16Z")
Yah, those idjits. Hating war. Loving peace. Being against people getting killed. Where the hell are their VALUES? ---
**Author:** ![Keith\_Berry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/22d042/32.png) [@Keith\_Berry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keith_Berry)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/58 "2003-03-22T04:27:41Z")
Well, I personally had no problem with her anti-war position…just the hysterical numbfuck extremism behind it. When she started whining about how money used for war could be used to support artists instead, that’s when SHE showed her true colors. Her politics aren’t exactly the focus here, though. The only reason I linked her lack of work ethic and her Trendy Liberalism is to compare her to the assholes who are blocking traffic and ducttaping themselves together on railroad tracks. In both cases, you have a motley bunch of sorry-assed worthless fucks who apparently have nothing better to do with their time than make us suffer for their “ideals”. I waited 20 minutes for my beer, some people have waited in hours in traffic. I got the better end of the deal, but it’s the same principle…stupid, selfish, self-important grandeur disguised as “political awareness”. How responsible and ethical is it to ignore your employment duties so you can launch a emotional diatribe? Not very. And as for Techchik, after all the hysterical and unfounded insults you’ve thrown at me, I honestly wonder how stable you are. You sound like a utterly neurotic and unbalanced individual in need of help. My honest opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Keith\_Berry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/22d042/32.png) [@Keith\_Berry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keith_Berry)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/59 "2003-03-22T04:35:57Z")
I also want to restate that I’m opposed to this war on very rational and pragmatic reasons: 1. Potiential casualties 2. Damage to international relations with allies 3. Consequences of hatred of Americans (terrorism, etc.) 4. The dangerous precedent it sets for warfare (attack anyone you think MIGHT BE a threat?) So there you go. I wouldn’t have minded discussing my reasons with that bartender, and I would have if she had actually considered doing her job and serving me a beer. But no, she was too busy moaning and shouting “WAR IS AWFUL, MAN, WAR IS BAD! NO MONEY FOR ARTISTS!” The sad thing is, people like that make me want to hang out with the pro-war people. At least they’re more animated and have 2 or 3 points instead of one repeated ad nausem. ---
**Author:** ![Estilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Estilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Estilicon)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2003, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043/60 "2003-03-23T00:57:29Z")
My problem with the op is his lack of humanity. Granted the bartender wasn’t exactly a pride to her profession but wars don’t happen every day (at least till now). My golden rule: special day, special rules. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-these-sensitive-peace-lovers-fuck-them/163043.md?page=4)