# Fuck this guy (Santa Barbara shooter) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182 "2014-05-24T14:36:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/221 "2014-05-26T20:49:14Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Are they? What about Jack the Ripper and the like? Jack the Ripper targeted prostitutes and mutilated their genitals and breasts (among other things). How is that not sexual violence ? He didn’t rape them if that’s what you meant, but his crimes were almost certainly motivated by and intrinsically featured a heavy sexual component. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/222 "2014-05-26T21:09:44Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Jack the Ripper targeted prostitutes and mutilated their genitals and breasts (among other things). How is that not sexual violence ? He didn’t rape them if that’s what you meant, but his crimes were almost certainly motivated by and intrinsically featured a heavy sexual component. And this guy’s immediate motivation in this was apparently his largely self-inflicted sexual deprivation. He hated women for not giving him sex, and other men for getting sex, and killed several of both for it. That’s “sexual violence” too. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/223 "2014-05-26T21:15:20Z")
Only if you water down the term into meaninglessness. It’s _sexually motivated_ violence, but not sexual violence. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/224 "2014-05-26T21:27:34Z")
(and even then, ISTM he was more motivated by an supremely inflated sense of self and entitlement than sexual frustration per se - generally speaking, “sexually motivated” tends to equate with “I got my rocks off on it”) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/225 "2014-05-26T21:46:08Z")
[Stockton, California man fires eight shots at three girls who refused to have sex with him and his buddies](http://jezebel.com/stockton-man-reportedly-opens-fire-on-women-after-they-1581764253). ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/226 "2014-05-26T22:00:22Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > I have not read the manifesto. I watched the video. Something seems funny. I don’t believe him for a minute. . . A lot of people, including myself, have had a similar reaction. But after reading the so-called “manifesto,” I think it’s clear that the reason the video seems funny, (almost insincere), is that it’s essentially very scripted. He had been rehearsing this language in his mind so much that he was effectively reading it back to the camera. He fancied himself a wordsmith, apparently (though his usage was often inept), and wanted to be sure certain phrasing would be in the video. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/227 "2014-05-26T22:40:04Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Someone earlier said they think his issue was an extreme amount of self-hate, and my first impulse was to dismiss that idea. But in re-thinking it, it’s probably true that he loathed himself a lot. His hatred for others might have been his ego’s way of making sense of the feelings he felt towards himself. > > It appears that he remained on the sidelines. He never approached women or attempted to make friends. Superficially, he expected them to initiate because he felt entitled due to his supreme awesomeness. But in considering this deeper, this sounds like an ego-sparing maneuver to me. Put forth as little effort as possible and you never have to endure outright rejection; passivity removes you from any responsibility and allows you to fault other people when things don’t go “right”. > > If he’d had a girlfriend, I imagine he would have had nothing but contempt for her. “She’s just with me because of my car and money.” “She’s just with me because I conned her into thinking I’m a alpha male jerk.” There would be no winning with him. In other words, he didn’t associate with anyone because he didn’t think anyone was of a high enough social status to do so. I used to work with a woman like that. Somehow, she managed to find TWO men to marry her; the second husband is the father of her children, and she’s totally the type who’s probably hoping at least one of them is autistic so people will, like worship her or something. :dubious: Last year, she went through a seriously ugly divorce, and everyone totally sided with her husband even though the festivities kicked off with her filing a restraining order against him. Reading between the lines, it sounds like she’s also a really bad alcoholic. ☹ for the kids. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/228 "2014-05-26T23:00:49Z")
A friend of mine works near the area where the shit went down. She said that the place is crawling with news crews trying to interview shocked and grieving students. Disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/229 "2014-05-26T23:03:25Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > It was his intention to kill people. It was his intention to stab three people. It was his intention to kill people with his car. Are you blaming the minimal knife control laws or the minimal car control laws? This monster decided to kill people. He used whatever devices he had at hand. If he had an elephant, he may have trained the elephant to kill people. You know why we’re not blaming minimal car laws? Because we don’t have minimal car laws. Cars are one of the most heavily-regulated consumer products in this country. Everything, from who can operate them, to insurance requirements to safety features is regulated. If a legislator seriously proposed regulating guns the same way we regulate cars, the NRA would throw a fit. Your post is stupid and immoral. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/230 "2014-05-26T23:10:08Z")
> [@BrightNShiny](#): > > You know why we’re not blaming minimal car laws? Because we don’t have minimal car laws. Cars are one of the most heavily-regulated consumer products in this country. Everything, from who can operate them, to insurance requirements to safety features is regulated. Are there regulations that would reduce the number of people someone using the car as a weapon could kill? ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/231 "2014-05-26T23:16:24Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Are there regulations that would reduce the number of people someone using the car as a weapon could kill? Uh, yes. If you hit someone with a car and they hit your windshield, the windshield isn’t going to shatter into shards of glass that will cut right through them. That protects both drivers and people who get hit. If someone shows up at their doctor in California, and the doctor determines that they aren’t fit to drive, the doctor can start a process to yank their license. A psychiatrist could certainly start the process to yank the license of someone who was under treatment and exhibiting violent tendencies. I can do a whole list of these. Yes, people get killed by cars. But we have an immense amount of regulations to reduce the chances of that. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/232 "2014-05-26T23:26:38Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I don’t think we’re more misogynstic now than we used to be. I don’t think we’re more racist now. I don’t think we’re meaner now. And yet it seems (I’m willing to be challenged on this) that these mass shooter guys are turning into a monthly occurrence. > > I’m all for fighting misogyny and those other things too, because society can only improve when fewer people are encouraged to have stupid asshole opinions. But I’m not going to delude myself into thinking disillusioned narcissistic young men with violent tendencies aren’t just going to find some other batshit crazy reason to flip out. If it’s not “wah, I can’t get laid”, it will be “wah, I can’t get a job that doesn’t require a hairnet” or “wah, I can’t get into college because everybody hates me!” Or “wah, I’m stuck in my parent’s basement addicted to gaming and I’m tired of everybody calling me a loser!” Until you wipe out self-entitlement and over-sensitive butthurt, we’re not going to see this madness go away any time soon. > > At least, that’s what I’m afraid of. Afraid so too. The whole of the incident cannot be reduced to “Poster Boy for Misogyny”, as the whole of the scene so far points to someone who could not bear for the world to not drop at his feet and hand him satisfaction _ **in every area of existence** _ just because he showed up. The early media reports of his published/YouTubed rants made a big deal of the parts dedicated to whining about women not giving him some lovin’, but that could be attributed to it being a very obvious and easy to point out sign of what a disturbed loser we’re dealing with, and to vulgar sensationalism, not to a careful analysis. The frame of reference for people to claim a “reason” lo lash out violently at the world can be sexual, political, racial, economic, religious, etc., and yet in the end the majority of entitled pricks manage to _not_ go out on mass murder sprees, \*whatever \*grinds their gears. ETA for the Pit: So fuck 'im, he couldn’t even rise to the level of the average entitled prick. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/233 "2014-05-26T23:27:00Z")
> [@BrightNShiny](#): > > Uh, yes. If you hit someone with a car and they hit your windshield, the windshield isn’t going to shatter into shards of glass that will cut right through them. That protects both drivers and people who get hit. Cool, so the driver will not be hurt and can continue driving and hitting more people. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/234 "2014-05-26T23:32:34Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Cool, so the driver will not be hurt and can continue driving and hitting more people. Nice. God, what a thick-headed moron you are. You asked if there were regulations designed to reduce the chances of someone getting killed, and I provided you with two of them. You got your answer and now you are trying to weasel your way out. What an immoral shithead you are. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/235 "2014-05-26T23:34:09Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Cool, so the driver will not be hurt and can continue driving and hitting more people. Nice. You’re just darling. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/236 "2014-05-27T00:49:48Z")
> [@BrightNShiny](#): > > God, what a thick-headed moron you are. You asked if there were regulations designed to reduce the chances of someone getting killed No, idiot, that is not what I asked. ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/237 "2014-05-27T01:02:29Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > No, idiot, that is not what I asked. Yes, idiot. It is and you got your answer. You thought you had some clever gotcha, but what you’ve actually shown is that you know absolutely nothing about car regulation. I’ve given you two regulations: one which reduces the chances of someone getting killed if the car is used a weapon and another which reduces the chances of a car being used as a weapon in the first place. But this is the thing thick-headed assholes like you can’t get through your thick skulls. We have a department of the Federal government that continually studies car deaths and then proposes and adopts regulations to reduce car deaths from all sources (accidental, intentional, everything). And we’re going to get more. The Eurozone has adopted a bunch of new pedestrian-design safety regulations for cars, and that’s going to be the next big push in the US. And once those regulations are adopted, they will also reduce the chances of someone getting killed by a car. On top of that, most states continually amend their driving regulations and safety precautions in response to dangerous situations as they come up. So, we have an ongoing process to evaluate car deaths and come up with ways to reduce those car deaths. But the immoral shit-head gun nuts won’t even let the Federal government study gun deaths, let alone propose regulations to reduce them. And when we try to discuss regulating guns, lying assholes like you waltz in pretending that you know about car regulations when it’s clear you don’t know the first thing about them. People die, and instead of trying to find constructive solutions you rely on lies and stupid fake gotchas. What a disgusting person you are. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/238 "2014-05-27T01:23:35Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The misogyny IMHO is something of a red herring; he was utterly self absorbed and insanely self entitled about everything, not just sex. Even if he’d been given all the sex he wanted, he’d probably have still been pissed at the world for not just handing him everything else he wanted along with it. And at the world not building statues to him in awe while it’s doing so. I don’t know . . . Yeah, this guy was an asshole in general, but just a brief glance at the “manifesto” and it seems that in the end, not getting a girl was fundamentally the primary thing fueling his self-entitlement, and that degenerated into hatred toward women more than anything. (The lottery thing was just his plan to get a girl.) He also said that that if he were to get one, he’d call off the killing. In the conclusion of his pathetic screed he justified his “retribution” with this summary: > [@](#): > > The ultimate evil behind sexuality is the human female. They are the main instigators of sex. They control which men get it and which men don’t. Women are flawed creatures, and my mistreatment at their hands has made me realize this sad truth. There is something very twisted and wrong with the way their brains are wired. They think like beasts, and in truth, they are beasts. Women are incapable of having morals or thinking rationally. They are completely controlled by their depraved e motions and vile sexual impulses. Because of this, the men who do get to experience the pleasures of sex and the privilege of breeding are the men who women are sexually attracted to … the stupid, degenerate, obnoxious men. I have observed this all my life. The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. > > Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female. > > Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. He went on to describe how a perfect world would eliminate all women except a few for reproduction. That seems pretty misogynistic, if you ask me, and as the explicit justification for his actions, I wouldn’t discount it. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/239 "2014-05-27T01:26:36Z")
> [@BrightNShiny](#): > > Yes, idiot. It is and you got your answer. No, cretin, what I asked was regulations that would reduce the number of people someone using the car as a weapon could kill. What you gave me was the regulation that would actually increase the number of people someone using the car as a weapon could kill. ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/240 "2014-05-27T01:31:32Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > No, cretin, what I asked was regulations that would reduce the number of people someone using the car as a weapon could kill. What you gave me was the regulation that would actually increase the number of people someone using the car as a weapon could kill. No, it wouldn’t, and your reasoning is so stupid, that I’m not going to bother to respond to it. You’re a disgusting asshole. Oh, but in case anybody (who’s not lying scum like **Terr** ) is interested, here’s another car regulation: the hoods and bumpers on modern cars deform on impact. Which means if a pedestrian gets hit by a car, their rate of injury and the severity of injuries is going to be lower (as compared to older cars, which you could run through pretty much anything without any deformation). This is basic physics. It also means that if someone decides to use a car intentionally to kill someone, then their ability to do so is lessened compared to older car designs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182.md?page=13)