# Fuck this guy (Santa Barbara shooter) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182 "2014-05-24T14:36:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/321 "2014-05-28T08:02:42Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > The Aspberger’s discussion is interesting. I can see how that might have interfered with his ability to get laid. I don’t know much about it though- would it cause a person to take something like that so damn seriously? The (probably insincere) ideas of grandeur? > > Anyway, there are plenty of mental conditions people can get diagnosed with, but none of them amount to mass-murderer crazy. Someone pointed it out upthread- ultimately this guy’s real problem was the homicidal and suicidal ideation. And not even that, but actually acting on it. That is way outside your common mental condition diagnosis. > > Maybe it wasn’t mental illness so much as being a really bad person. Yes, a phenotype of Asperger’s is an intense focus on one thing, and repetitive thoughts and behavior. Others are difficulty with social interaction and lack of cognative empathy. His youtube videos are like a showcase for these traits. I don’t know if the distinction between mental illness and being a bad person is that clear to me. There was something wrong with his brain, almost certainly biologically visible. (Schizophrenics and people on the autism spectrum have different brain structure.) The interplay between his brain and his mental development resulted in him being crazy. Obviously there is not necessarily a link between mental illness and being a bad person, but in this case his disconnect from reality and inability to form a proper theory of mind for other people, were a major part of his problems. ---
**Author:** ![Denial\_flash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d2c977/32.png) [@Denial\_flash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Denial_flash)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/322 "2014-05-28T10:26:15Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > He doesn’t sound like he thinks he is a god, in the videos. He says “I am magnificent” but there is no passion or conviction in his voice. He obviously felt strongly about things, strongly enough to go out and kill people, but the videos are weird, because his emotions don’t show through much at all. If he were speaking his truth, you’d think it would show. Maybe crazy people are like that - ‘lack of affect’ or something - but it makes me feel like the version of the story he is putting out there is not the real story of what is going on inside. I agree with this. It just seems so…I don’t know, fake? His “manifesto” reads so much like a B.E. Ellis novel, it made me think that it’s almost like he invented a persona, made up a story. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/323 "2014-05-28T12:52:49Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > And before someone jumps on me, bullying is wrong. It is unexceptionable, and it needs to be dealt with on an individual and societal basis. I am not condoning bullying. Full stop. I normally hate to go back and correct typos, but…um…the word in red is the precise opposite of what I meant. It should be “unacceptable”. Lesson to be learned? Don’t use Siri or whatever the speech-to-text thing is to post without proofreading. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/324 "2014-05-28T13:25:19Z")
Asperger’s is the disease du jour. Suddenly everybody has it. “Oh, hell, I have some interests in my life and I don’t like some people. It’s not my fault, it’s Asperger’s.” In the end, the only person responsible for his actions is dead. Good riddance to bad rubbish. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/325 "2014-05-28T13:49:27Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > You seem to have an eight year old’s understanding of misogyny. > > This creatures entire worldview, his entire identity, and his primarily way of organizing his thoughts was based on a set of sick and twisted ideas about women. Now, men got caught in this as well, but that’s because he was seeing men through the window of hating women. > > Or put this way, if he work up tomorrow and said “you know, I guess women don’t owe me sex. I’m actually kind of cool with them,” his thing against men would fall apart. I disagree. I think his entire worldview was based on sick and twisted ideas about men. He had ideas in his head about what men should be and do which he measured himself against. Primarily focused on getting women into bed, it seems. If he hadn’t thought so little of men this may never have happened. Just think, if he’d been a MGTOW this could all have been avoided. > [@](#): > > Men were victims of this, and that’s not surprising, because men often get harmed by this whole system of understanding the world through gender. We aren’t in some kind of zero sums battle of the sexes here. Both men and women will benefit when sexism stops being such a major force. All would benefit from a decline in sexism, but there’s no evidence that this incident involved sexism, or that if it did involve sexism it involved misogyny rather than misandry. > [@](#): > > Maybe absent misogyny, he would have just gone crazy in a different way. But maybe, he would have also gone “Holy shit these are some wack thoughts. Maybe I need help” rather than “Awesome! There are boards and subreddits and mailing lists for people just like me!” Again, for those of you who prefer your delusions to the facts: there are no such subreddits, or boards or mailing lists. He posted on a bodybuilding site where they made fun of him. He posted in a forum dedicated to hating Pick Up Artists, and even they didn’t like him. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/326 "2014-05-28T13:52:30Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > How are we even debating whether the guy was a misogynist? Yeah, he killed men, but so what? It’s as absurd as arguing he wasn’t racist because he was half Asian and the housemates he killed were Asian. He was a racist. He openly called white people “the enemy”. He also said that he thought Asian men were ugly. Yes, he was a racist. As to why we’re debating this, it’s because there’s no real reason to believe he was a misogynist. Some people want it to be so because it would reinforce their prejudices. ---
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/327 "2014-05-28T14:00:46Z")
Rodgers suffered from a lifetime of social awkwardness and alienation that seems consistent with an AS diagnosis. Of course AS does not typically lead to violence, but in Rodgers’ case, the years of frustration from failing to get the social acceptance he craved did. Had he not repelled others with his obvious weirdness – unnatural diction, inability to “read” others and respond in a socially acceptable manner, intolerance for even the slightest setback, inappropriate tears/tantrums – he would probably not have felt the need to lash out at the world like this. Clearly most people with an AS diagnosis do not become mass murderers, but that does not preclude it being a contributing factor. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/328 "2014-05-28T14:04:43Z")
There are plenty of good reasons to believe he was a misogynist. He was also a whole lot of other things, too, including having a very warped view of masculinity. We shouldn’t gloss over his racism either. But he was definitely a misogynist. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/329 "2014-05-28T14:09:12Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Asperger’s is the disease du jour. Suddenly everybody has it. “Oh, hell, I have some interests in my life and I don’t like some people. It’s not my fault, it’s Asperger’s.” > > In the end, the only person responsible for his actions is dead. Good riddance to bad rubbish. He was diagnosed with Aspbergers fifteen years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/330 "2014-05-28T14:11:30Z")
> [@Denial\_flash](#): > > I agree with this. It just seems so…I don’t know, fake? > His “manifesto” reads so much like a B.E. Ellis novel, it made me think that it’s almost like he invented a persona, made up a story. I don’t know about that. Remember when you had to read an essay in front of the class? It was also a sort of a “going through the motions” way of talking. He was obviously trying to put what he thought was a compelling performance, but he was no actor, and in real life, people are way less natural than actors. I’d say that he talked like the way a trillion youtubers talk. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t saying what was actually going through his deranged head. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/331 "2014-05-28T15:17:29Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > There are plenty of good reasons to believe he was a misogynist. > > He was also a whole lot of other things, too, including having a very warped view of masculinity. We shouldn’t gloss over his racism either. But he was definitely a misogynist. Argument by assertion. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/332 "2014-05-28T16:46:13Z")
Or when you can’t score a girlfriend and the advice you get is “aim lower,” don’t take it literally. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/333 "2014-05-28T17:03:55Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > As to why we’re debating this, it’s because there’s no real reason to believe he was a misogynist. Some people want it to be so because it would reinforce their prejudices. In his manifesto, he wrote this: “Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such.” Yes, there is plenty of evidence he was a misogynist. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/334 "2014-05-28T17:22:49Z")
Yeah, really, all the evidence he himself provides is of extreme misogyny being at or near the top of his considerable set of Major Malfunctions. (Top one being “homicidal psycho”. ). People seem to be getting hung up on whether that was “IT” , whether it was THE ONE among those problems that really made the difference in this horrible denouement. I don’t know if making him the misogyny poster boy will just make the bulk of misogynist dirtbags feel that “hey, that’s not me, _I_ can get laid and function in society”. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/335 "2014-05-28T17:35:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > In his manifesto, he wrote this: “Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such.” > > Yes, there is plenty of evidence he was a misogynist. Is that the reason that this monster stabbed thee men to death and shot another man to death? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/336 "2014-05-28T17:53:46Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Is that the reason that this monster stabbed thee men to death and shot another man to death? No, it was probably a combination of racism (hatred of asians), jealousy, and general assholishness that motivated those murders-of-men. In addition to his many, many other flaws, he was pretty clearly a misognynist. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/337 "2014-05-28T19:53:10Z")
[The whole thing never happened. False flag, ya know?](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/28/santa-barbara-shooting-was-an-anti-mra-gun-grabbing-false-flag-because-of-course-why-not/) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/338 "2014-05-28T20:31:14Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > [The whole thing never happened. False flag, ya know?](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/28/santa-barbara-shooting-was-an-anti-mra-gun-grabbing-false-flag-because-of-course-why-not/) That is AWESOME. It’s fake. We know because his father was assistant director on The Hunger Games. The Hunger Games was written by Suzanne Collins. Suzanne Collins – this was the fatal mistake by the conspirators – just happens to live in Sandy Hook. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/339 "2014-05-29T03:59:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That is AWESOME. > > It’s fake. We know because his father was assistant director on The Hunger Games. The Hunger Games was written by Suzanne Collins. Suzanne Collins – this was the fatal mistake by the conspirators – just happens to live in Sandy Hook. Kevin Bacon. ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/340 "2014-05-29T07:20:59Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Kevin Bacon. Kevin Bacon’s a CIA operative? Had no idea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182.md?page=18)