# Fuck this guy (Santa Barbara shooter) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182 "2014-05-24T14:36:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/341 "2014-05-29T07:24:17Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > [The whole thing never happened. False flag, ya know?](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/28/santa-barbara-shooting-was-an-anti-mra-gun-grabbing-false-flag-because-of-course-why-not/) Looks like I called it. (post #244) ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/342 "2014-05-29T07:25:53Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That is AWESOME. > > It’s fake. We know because his father was assistant director on The Hunger Games. The Hunger Games was written by Suzanne Collins. Suzanne Collins – this was the fatal mistake by the conspirators – just happens to live in Sandy Hook. Waitwaitwait, I think there’s a conspiracy here but it’s not the one they’re seeing. The town with the kids getting killed just **happens** to be the same place where a woman who writes fiction about kids killing each other in gladiatorial combat lives? And then the young son of a man who worked on the movie about young people killing each other in gladiatorial combat kills people? WAKE UP SHEEPLE! PANEM WERE NEVER THE VILLAINS SUZANNE COLLINS WANTS YOU ALL TO LIVE IN DISTRICTS AND KILL FOR HER AMUSEMENT! (This connection is very funny to me and I am going straight to hell for it) ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/343 "2014-05-30T02:57:44Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > …and many others. > > Most of the people he killed were men. He openly fantasised on the internet about killing all men other than himself. Okay, it was so he would have a monopoly on the world’s women, but this is at least as much hatred of men as women. Those of you who like to pretend the majority of the victims don’t exist or don’t matter because they’re men are making a very good case for the MRAs. > > See also: [https://www.avoiceformen.com/gynocentrism/murderer-kills-6-men-and-2-women-cause-misogyny/](https://www.avoiceformen.com/gynocentrism/murderer-kills-6-men-and-2-women-cause-misogyny/) Hey, **blindboyard** , I saw you post several times after [my post about your favorite site, A Voice For Men](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17407834&postcount=247), but you didn’t acknowledge it. Do you think the tooootally not misogynistic at all posts I found help the MRA case? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/344 "2014-05-30T03:33:49Z")
> **[Your Princess Is in Another Castle, Nerds and Misogyny](https://www.thedailybeast.com/your-princess-is-in-another-castle-misogyny-entitlement-and-nerds-1)** > > Nerdy guys aren’t guaranteed to get laid by the hot chick as long as we work hard. There isn’t a team of writers pulling for us to triumph by getting the girl. An interesting article that popped up in my Facebook feed. I apologize if it’s already been posted. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/345 "2014-05-30T03:51:35Z")
Jeopardy Guy can write insightfully, I’ll give him that. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/346 "2014-05-30T07:52:00Z")
> **[Lessons From a Day Spent With the UCSB Shooter's Awful Friends](https://jezebel.com/lessons-from-a-day-spent-with-the-ucsb-shooters-awful-f-1582884301?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)** > > Tuesday morning, I logged into a chat room full of refugees of the since shuttered PUAHate forum once frequented by University of California-Santa Barbara shooter Elliott Rodger. And I stayed there, silently watching them, for 8 hours. Here's what I... Holy fucking shit, I know… no I don’t know, I **desperately hope** this is 100% fucking bullshit machismo posturing and all of these fucks are too chickenshit to do anything but I am seriously freaking the fuck out right now after reading that ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Why_Bother)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/347 "2014-05-30T08:13:52Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > [http://jezebel.com/lessons-from-a-day-spent-with-the-ucsb-shooters-awful-f-1582884301?utm\_campaign=socialflow\_jezebel\_facebook&utm\_source=jezebel\_facebook&utm\_medium=socialflow](http://jezebel.com/lessons-from-a-day-spent-with-the-ucsb-shooters-awful-f-1582884301?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow) > > Holy fucking shit, I know… no I don’t know, I **desperately hope** this is 100% fucking bullshit machismo posturing and all of these fucks are too chickenshit to do anything but I am seriously freaking the fuck out right now after reading that Not to downplay your feelings or anything, but crazy people mouthing off on the internet is hardly something worth getting worked up over. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/348 "2014-05-30T12:46:13Z")
The problem with that notion is that we have unequivocal proof that a certain percentage of crazies mouthing off on the internet will go on killing sprees. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/349 "2014-05-30T12:57:58Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > The problem with that notion is that we have unequivocal proof that a certain percentage of crazies mouthing off on the internet will go on killing sprees. [Valeri Fabrikant](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concordia_University_massacre) mouthing off on USENET being one of the earliest examples. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Why_Bother)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/350 "2014-05-30T13:04:56Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > The problem with that notion is that we have unequivocal proof that a certain percentage of crazies mouthing off on the internet will go on killing sprees. Meh, a certain percentage of Muslims like blowing shit up. That doesn’t justify Islamophobia. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/351 "2014-05-30T13:24:30Z")
So there is a bunch of frustrated moron males mouthing off on Internet forums. Question: when women express the ubiquitous “[all](http://con.ca/article/142) [men](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto)[are](http://stavvers.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/kill-all-men/)[scum](http://www.amazon.com/All-Men-Are-Jerks-Understanding/dp/1580621732)” (sometimes a softer “jerks”), with pearls like “So no, we’re not actually advocating killing all men, but what we need is for men to understand why we might.” - is that a cause for concern as well? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/352 "2014-05-30T14:25:59Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > So there is a bunch of frustrated moron males mouthing off on Internet forums. Question: when women express the ubiquitous “[all](http://con.ca/article/142) [men](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto)[are](http://stavvers.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/kill-all-men/)[scum](http://www.amazon.com/All-Men-Are-Jerks-Understanding/dp/1580621732)” (sometimes a softer “jerks”), with pearls like “So no, we’re not actually advocating killing all men, but what we need is for men to understand why we might.” - is that a cause for concern as well? It might be cause for a little concern. For me, though, the amount of concern is pretty small, based on a few things – no past history of violence/oppression of men, no evidence (so far) of actions taken that are violent/oppressive to men, and no indication that more than a tiny percentage of any group (even feminists) actually support this kind of stuff. I don’t think ‘ubiquitous’ is the right word here. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/353 "2014-05-30T14:27:21Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t think ‘ubiquitous’ is the right word here. You haven’t heard women express the “all men are scum” sentiment - ever? Let me tell you, I have heard variations of “all men are scum” or “I hate men” or “all men are jerks” from women numerous times (with the emphasis on “heard” - as in vocally, in conversation). Not once have I heard any men friends/acquaintances of mine express the reverse sentiment. I would say among men such feelings are few and far between. Among women (at least judging by them expressing it - I don’t know if they really mean it or not) it is much more prevalent. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/354 "2014-05-30T14:29:03Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > You haven’t heard women express the “all men are scum” sentiment - ever? I’ve heard people say it before on TV; I’m not sure if I’ve ever heard a woman in real life say it, except perhaps as a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/355 "2014-05-30T14:32:12Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’ve heard people say it before on TV; I’m not sure if I’ve ever heard a woman in real life say it, except perhaps as a joke. And yet I have not heard one man on TV or in real life say something like that, EVEN as a joke. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/356 "2014-05-30T14:43:37Z")
The Isla Vista monster hated himself. All of his other rants were justifications for his self-loathing. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/357 "2014-05-30T15:28:24Z")
He wanted people to pay attention to him, listen to him, and talk about him. And he succeeded. Good for him, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/358 "2014-05-30T15:34:01Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > And yet I have not heard one man on TV or in real life say something like that, EVEN as a joke. So what? Violence and oppression of women is real and much, much more common than violence and oppression of men. Both are bad things, but in the real world one is a much, much bigger problem. And actually, I’ve heard men badmouth women quite frequently, as much or more than the reverse, both in real life and on TV. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Why_Bother)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/359 "2014-05-30T15:37:01Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > He wanted people to pay attention to him, listen to him, and talk about him. And he succeeded. Good for him, I guess. Yeah. Far too much serious attention has been paid to this little prick. Hey. Here’s a good one; What’s the difference between an egg and Elliot Rodger? An egg gets laid before it cracks. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/360 "2014-05-30T17:46:56Z")
> [@Doctor\_Why\_Bother](#): > > Meh, a certain percentage of Muslims like blowing shit up. That doesn’t justify Islamophobia. That doesn’t mean we should completely ignore Muslims making on-line threats. It’s like threatening to kill the President - most people who do it are, as you say, just mouthing off and don’t mean it. The secret service still investigates all such public threats to sift out the serious from the mouthy. Likewise, it might not be a bad thing if there was some agency to investigate internet hotheads to sift out the the actual threats from the mouth. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182.md?page=19)