# Fuck this guy (Santa Barbara shooter)

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [May 24, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182 "2014-05-24T14:36:04Z")\
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**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/421 "2014-06-15T19:25:21Z")

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It’s clear that we punish violent crime against women more harshly than violent crime against men. I’m actually okay with the disparity. It’s probably hard wired into our moral sense to place a higher value on women’s lives than men’s.

That said, excusing the higher rates of violence against men in the society because they “chose” to be in that environment is just sophistic bullshit and victim blaming.

> **[the\_determinants\_of\_punishment\_deterrence\_incapacitation\_and\_vengeance.pdf](https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/glaeser/files/the_determinants_of_punishment_deterrence_incapacitation_and_vengeance.pdf)**
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> Among vehicular homicides, drivers who kill women get 56 per cent longer sentences.

> **[STUDIES: Murder of Female Victims More Likely to Result in Death Sentence |...](https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/studies-murder-of-female-victims-more-likely-to-result-in-death-sentence)**
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> A recent study by researchers at Cornell Law School found that the gender of the murder victim may influence whether a defendant receives the death...

[http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2425&context=facpub](http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2425&context=facpub)

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> A recent study by researchers at Cornell Law School found that the gender of the murder victim may influence whether a defendant receives the death penalty. Using data from 1976 to 2007 in Delaware, the study found that in cases with female victims, 47.1% resulted in death sentences, while in those involving male victims, only 32.3% were sentenced to death.

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**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/422 "2014-06-15T21:01:45Z")

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I shot a man in Reno, just because violence is more normative in males.

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**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/423 "2014-06-15T22:06:25Z")

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> We are discussing the likelihoods of people being attacked by members of the opposite gender, so these statistics are indeed relevant. Your efforts to sidestep them are failing. Do you believe there is any significance at all to the fact that men kill far more women than women kill men? Are you just going to try and dodge it for a third time?

Your argument is meaningless because men in general don’t kill women. Male murderers do. The vast majority of men in general don’t kill anyone. Of those men who do kill, they kill mostly other men.

There’s nothing to dodge. You’re not using the relevant metric. The relevant metric is how many women male murderers kill vs how many men male murderers kill. Male murderers kill way more men than they do women.

Gender equality here would involve male murderers killing more women even out the disparity. Either that or generating as much societal concern over violence against men as has been generated over violence against women.

How about a “Bring Back Our Boys” twitter campaign for the young men slaughtered in the thousands by Boko Haraam. For that matter, how about a twitter campaign for the young men shot dead on the streets of Chicago every weekend.

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